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Reply #15 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:35pm

mozzaok wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:29pm:

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Aboriginals, some of whose ancestors became Muslims at the hands of Indonesian fishermen before Europeans even arrived?

You can't seriously believe that hokum abu, it is myth making BS.

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no it ain't man- it's quite real. what makes you think it's bs?

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #16 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:37pm Total Crap.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #17 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:45pm mozzaok wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:37pm: Total Crap. ummm- cool
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Reply #18 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:01pm

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Since most are grown adults, I think they're aware of what they're embracing. I've never heard of an Australian changing their mind and reverting to disbelief. Not saying it ccan't happen, but it's highly unlikely to, and even if it did, I don't understand it's relation to my questions...

Did I detect a stutter there abu?
Considering it is our law that we are able to change our minds and grow as we see fit, it is a very relevant point.

So what does happen to people who embrace Islam and then decide to turn away from it?
What happens to the children who refuse to embrace it?

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #19 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:31pm Do tell abu...surely you know the quran?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40883 Gender:	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #20 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:39pm abu you are quite right. Afghan cameleers were very good in expploring the interior. They knew camels and that country well. Hey, one even became Aussies first terriorist !!! He was educated in the koran, extreme muslim.
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Reply #21 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:54pm

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Total Crap.

Well you convinced me mozza, quite a persuasive argument you got there.

amadd,

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Considering it is our law that we are able to change our minds and grow as we see fit, it is a very relevant point.

So you think Australia should institute laws to prevent people becoming Muslims?

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So what does happen to people who embrace Islam and then decide to turn away from it?

Weren't we talking about Australian society here?
If you claim Islamic law is somehow barbaric and primitive, then why would you compare Australian law to it and want to 'revert' to the same or a similar ruling?

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Do tell abu...surely you know the quran?

Well I know it enough to know it doesn't say anything about someone embracing Islam then leaving it. Do you have some evidence it says otherwise?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #22 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 8:56pm sprint, fascinating...
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Reply #23 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:33pm

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So you think Australia should institute laws to prevent people becoming Muslims?

Freedom of religion is part of our constitution, however, a religion cannot supercede common laws and legislation in any way.
Islamics from certain nations still consider their religion to be above our law, and it is not.

It is an Islamic teaching that apostates be sentenced to death.
People of these beliefs do not belong here and should not be allowed to enter our shores.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #24 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:33pm It would be interesting to know how muslims feel about the pending executions. On one hand, Islam allows executions, so they need to be seen to support it, on the other, they are fellow muslims being put to death so are required to defend them. Where do their loyalties lie?
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Reply #25 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:47pm

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Freedom of religion is part of our constitution, however, a religion cannot supercede common laws and legislation in any way.

And what does this have to do with Muslims? Are you suggesting Muslims could somehow manipulate the legislature and enforce shari'ah law? Get a hold of yourself mate.

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Islamics from certain nations still consider their religion to be above our law, and it is not.

Firstly I think you should at least familiarise yourself with the terminology you're trying to use. An adherent of Islam is a Muslim, not an 'Islamic'.

Any Muslim who comes to Australia, and swears their oath of allegiance to Australia, and it's head of state, our Queen, and enters into a contract of citizenship with Australia, MUST, by Islamic teaching fulfill that contact and that allegiance. Just sounds like more of the same ignorant scare-mongering arguments.

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It is an Islamic teaching that apostates be sentenced to death.

It is law under an Islamic Caliphate, it's got nothing to do with being a Muslim in Australia. If an Australian went to live in Saudi Arabia, would Saudi Arabians be right in stating that Australian shouldn't be there, because in Australia adultery and homosexuality are permissible and polygamy is punishable by prison sentence??? what on earth has it got to do with that Australian living in Saudi Arabia?

This has gotta be your most illogical reason so far.

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People of these beliefs do not belong here and should not be allowed to enter our shores.

Again, what about Aboriginal Muslims? Gonna deport them are you? Send them back to Indonesia, from where they wandered 40,000 years ago??

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40883 Gender:	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #26 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:50pm Abu - yes. The early muslims were well liked out west. Kept to themselves, but no troubles, good workers. Planted date palms in a few areas, unfortunatley they all died I believe. in 1915 or thereabouts, one muslim went islamic and became aussies first terrorist.
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Reply #27 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:54pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:50pm:

Abu - yes. The early muslims were well liked out west.
Kept to themselves, but no troubles, good workers.
Planted date palms in a few areas, unfortunatley they all died I believe.

in 1915 or thereabouts, one muslim went islamic and became aussies first terrorist.

actually they weren't treated particularly well- they weren't really well liked except for the capacity of their abilities.

went islamic? right. what was his name out of curiosity?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40883 Gender:	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #28 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:58pm gaybriel - satisfied at the complete posting on the islamic forum ??
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Bali bombers execution should be televised.. Reply #29 - Oct 29^th, 2008 at 10:11pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:58pm: gaybriel - satisfied at the complete posting on the islamic forum ?? huh? you mean the new topic you posted? yes it was very interesting- I've replied to it
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