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abu_rashid

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No condemnation??
Oct 24^th, 2008 at 11:26am

This is feedback to all forummers, rather than to the forum itself...

In the thread US missiles hit Pakistani school, about 8 children being blown to pieces by a US missile, two forum members, ardent Australian nationalists at that, expressed the following views:

DILLIGAF wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:33pm:

Thats great news!

A few less mohammedans in the world polluting the air with their foul breaths.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 10:24pm:

I don't feel sorry for them one little bit.

There are good points and bad points to this situation.
Good news: a few more potential terrorists off the Earth.

Now I know most ordinary Australians would find this kind of sentiment towards the murder of innocent children to be absolutely disgusting, but so far not a single person has even mentioned disagreement with these two forummers comments about this atrocity.

In fact the only post addressing it was from sprintcycleist stating:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 11:47pm:

abu - maybe one that has seen what has come to fruition of children like this?

When I questioned what kind of animal could feel joy at such an atrocity. As if to justify the murder of children because of what they may or may not do in the future.

Now I can only begin to imagine what the response would be if a Muslim were to post here similar things about civilians killed in America/Britain/Bali etc. Why is it when it's civilians (and children in their school no less!!) from Pakistan, people support and are filled with joy and jubilance, and nobody bats an eyelid..

Does this mean people aren't really opposed to innocent civilians being murdered, and those poor excuses for human beings that find joy in such crimes? Or is it only if they're 'ours'??

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #1 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 11:40am It's like a pack of dogs fighting over a corpse. Just about everyone posting in that thread was trying to get political mileage from the death of those children. Why should members feel obligued to wade into yet another one of those threads?
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Reply #2 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:14pm

I can guarantee you that if the shoe was on the other foot, most would find their way in there and would be demanding the deportation of Muslims who made similar statements.

Come on, even if a Muslim doesn't openly condemn an attack itself, we are made to feel partially guilty by association or something, whereas you can't even condemn someone who openly feels joy at the specific killing of little children.

If any Muslim ever expressed joy at the specific killing of children, all Muslims would unanimously condemn them. It's really a sick mentality, and I find it quite hypocritical that you and others are concerned about having Muslims in Australia, when quite obviously you have some really sick people already here who actually find joy in the murder of kids... So long as they're foreigners...

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Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:22pm

Yet plenty of Muslims do kill innocent children. Not accidentally, but deliberately. Yes, some Muslims give lip service and condemn it. Others dance in the street. Other's organise big paychecks for the families of the martyrs. We demand that they not only condemn it, but that they actually prevent it from happening again.

If I criticised Phil for being so vulgar, I would also have to pull you up for breaking the rules. Personally, I hope you can both just move on.

I am sorry if this is not the response you sought. Please don't use the feedback board to grab attention when you don't think your thread is getting enough.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40950 Gender:	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #4 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:41pm fair call Abu. my comment was in very bad taste, my apologies. The kids there were complete innocent vicitms. They are just school kids.
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Reply #5 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:28pm

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Yet plenty of Muslims do kill innocent children. Not accidentally, but deliberately.

Do you really believe the propaganda that they do it deliberately? Like with the US, it's either collateral damage or human shields. I've never seen any statement from any Muslim group claiming they wanted to target children. And I've certainly never any Muslim take joy in such details.

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Yes, some Muslims give lip service and condemn it. Others dance in the street

Seems like you're confusing between condemning an attack and condemning specifically taking joy at children being killed.. there's a big difference. I don't think a lot of those people who support US wars (from WWII till today) would feel joy knowing children died in the process. They might support the overall action, but not the specific and horiffic realities of the outcome of it.

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If I criticised Phil for being so vulgar, I would also have to pull you up for breaking the rules

What rule did I break?

And does breaking a forum rule (if i broke one) compare to a person taking joy in the murder of children on your forum?? Is that the comparison you're trying to make??

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Please don't use the feedback board to grab attention when you don't think your thread is getting enough.

It had 66 views. My problem was not with the lack of people visiting the thread, it's with the lack of opposition to the inhumanity expressed therein.

If you think I posted this in thhe wrong forum, then please feel free to move it to the one you consider correct. My intention in this thread was a general feedback to all members of ozpolitic.

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Reply #6 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:32pm

sprint,

Glad to see you changed your mind on this one.

It's truly a sickening outlook they have on this thing. And rest assured if any Muslim were to come here taking joy at non-Muslim children being killed (although I highly doubt it would ever occur), I'd be the first to put them into their place and call for their deportation from Australia. It's truly worrying to think we have such callous and cold hearted people walking in the streets amongst us.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #7 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:35pm Quote: although I highly doubt it would ever occur Because they wouldn't express it publicly, or because they were actually appalled?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #8 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:03pm Because it's a despicable thing to take joy in, and only one devoid of any fibre of morality could contemplate such a thing.
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Reply #9 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:04pm

Do you really believe the propaganda that they do it deliberately?

Was 9/11 an accident? What about blowing up busses in Israel, or Mosques in Iraq?

I've never seen any statement from any Muslim group claiming they wanted to target children.

Of course not, that would make them look bad. They claim to be targetting 'western aggressors' but get a bit vague about who they are specifically targetting.

What rule did I break?

The one about not insulting other members.

And does breaking a forum rule (if i broke one) compare to a person taking joy in the murder of children on your forum?

I'm not sure what you are asking here. People make comparisons. Events don't compare themselves.

It had 66 views. My problem was not with the lack of people visiting the thread, it's with the lack of opposition to the inhumanity expressed therein.

They probably took one look at your reference to the Taliban at the start and decided they couldn;t be bothered reading the rest.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40950 Gender:	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #10 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:11pm Abu - sorry. My comment was intended in jest. It is not a thing to make fun of. I am sure the others did not mean what they said. You did the right thing to bring this matter to light and speak your mind on our comments.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #11 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:44pm Was there any mention of children in the article presented by abu?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #12 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:48pm Since you commented in the thread, one would assume you read the article, no?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #13 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:54pm abu_rashid wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:48pm: Since you commented in the thread, one would assume you read the article, no? So were children mentioned or not?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50550 At my desk.	Re: No condemnation?? Reply #14 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:07pm Likewise it would be reasonable to assume that because Abu claimed that children were killed, that he actually read that in the article. I'm surprised Abu didn't respond with "Your questions ahve already been answered".
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