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Re: Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation
Reply #15 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 10:55am

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:08am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 4:36pm:

The only real problem is that, today, there is a lack of awareness, among Christians, of the overwhelming evidence, and information, which supports a creation, and a young earth.

There is no such evidence, in fact radiometric dating has shown rocks to be as old as 4.5 billion years. I'm not talking about carbon dating (a limited form of radiometric dating used for organic material).

Yes. You can read about radiometric dating here:

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/Radiometric-Dating.htm

It's not worth arguing. Christianity Inc has a canned answer for everything.

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Re: Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation
Reply #17 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:08am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 4:36pm:

The only real problem is that, today, there is a lack of awareness, among Christians, of the overwhelming evidence, and information, which supports a creation, and a young earth.

There is no such evidence, in fact radiometric dating has shown rocks to be as old as 4.5 billion years.
I'm not talking about carbon dating (a limited form of radiometric dating used for organic material).

Kryto,

Are you absolutely sure about that???

On what basis is radiometric dating calibrated?

And how do we know that such calibration is accurate?

How???

Do you know that, can you state, that you are sure that the environmental influences [i.e. this earth's atmosphere, and its shielding influence] used to determine / calibrate such dating today, has never changed, .....in 'billions' of years?
Cheesy

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Consider the evidence of this real scientist, who tested the geologic dating system, which science depends on today,
...this person found it wanting.

In June of 1992, Dr Austin collected a 7-kg (15-lb) block of dacite from high on the lava dome......
The laboratory was not told that the specimen came from the lava dome at Mount St Helens and was only 10 years old.
.....the [dating] results ranged from 340,000 to 2.8 million years! Why?
.....the results from the different samples of the *same rock* disagree with each other.
It is clear that radioisotope dating is not....proof for millions of years of Earth history.
When the method is tested on rocks of known age, it fails miserably.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i3/radiodating.asp

Google,
fossil dating a fraud
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=fossil+dating+a+fraud&btnG=Google+Search...

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Re: Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation
Reply #18 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:36pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

Kryto,

Are you absolutely sure about that???

On what basis is radiometric dating calibrated?

And how do we know that such calibration is accurate?

How???

I'm sure in so far as I understand the process. I am not by any means an expert.

However, one of the most established methods is Uranium-lead dating.

From wiki:
Uranium-lead is one of the oldest and most refined radiometric dating schemes, with a routine age range of about 1 million years to over 4.5 billion years, and with routine precisions in the 0.1-1 percent range.[1] The method relies on the coupled chronometer provided by the decay of 238U to 206Pb, with a half-life of 4.47 billion years and 235U to 207Pb, with a half-life of 704 million years. This decay occurs through a series of alpha decays, of which 238 U undergoes seven total alpha decays whereas 235U only experiences six alpha decays.[2] This technique has played a fundamental role in determining the age of the Earth.

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

Do you know that, can you state, that you are sure that the environmental influences [i.e. this earth's atmosphere, and its shielding influence] used to determine / calibrate such dating today, has never changed, .....in 'billions' of years?
Cheesy

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The particular weakness you are referring to are based on Carbon-Dating.

from Wiki:
The rate of creation of carbon-14 appears to be roughly constant, as cross-checks of carbon-14 dating with other dating methods show it gives consistent results. However, local eruptions of volcanoes or other events that give off large amounts of carbon dioxide can reduce local concentrations of carbon-14 and give inaccurate dates. The releases of carbon dioxide into the biosphere as a consequence of industrialization have also depressed the proportion of carbon-14 by a few percent; conversely, the amount of carbon-14 was increased by above-ground nuclear bomb tests that were conducted into the early 1960s. Also, an increase in the solar wind or the earth's magnetic field above the current value would depress the amount of carbon-14 created in the atmosphere. These effects are corrected for by the calibration of the radiocarbon dating scale.

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

Consider the evidence of this real scientist, who tested the geologic dating system, which science depends on today,
...this person found it wanting.

In June of 1992, Dr Austin collected a 7-kg (15-lb) block of dacite from high on the lava dome......
The laboratory was not told that the specimen came from the lava dome at Mount St Helens and was only 10 years old.
.....the [dating] results ranged from 340,000 to 2.8 million years! Why?
.....the results from the different samples of the *same rock* disagree with each other.
It is clear that radioisotope dating is not....proof for millions of years of Earth history.
When the method is tested on rocks of known age, it fails miserably.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i3/radiodating.asp

I'm pretty certain the lab that did the measuring cannot accurately measure sample less than 2 million years old. Also the samples were not homogeneous which could invalidate the results.

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Re: Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation
Reply #19 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:54pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

In June of 1992, Dr Austin collected a 7-kg (15-lb) block of dacite from high on the lava dome......

Yadda - That's complete nonsense. You Young Earth Creationists have no idea. In fact almost as little idea as the Old Earth Creationists, and as for Muslims, well I fart in their general direction. You're obviously not interpreting the Bible right. You see, it says in Genesis:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega"

That means that God is the beginning and end of time. All views that we have of time are merely an illusion. Only we Now Earth Creationists are correct.

The Earth was actually created 3 seconds ago. Everything that you have in your memory was put there by the Lord (Blessed be his cotton socks) and all this talk of 1992 was planted by the Devil (erm cursed be his ....whatever)

What PROOOOF DO you have that you are right? You have none. I have all the proof I need in Scripture.

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Re: Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Creation
Reply #20 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:10pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm:

In June of 1992, Dr Austin collected a 7-kg (15-lb) block of dacite from high on the lava dome......

Yadda - That's complete nonsense. You Young Earth Creationists have no idea. In fact almost as little idea as the Old Earth Creationists, and as for Muslims, well I fart in their general direction. You're obviously not interpreting the Bible right. You see, it says in Genesis:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega"

That means that God is the beginning and end of time. All views that we have of time are merely an illusion. Only we Now Earth Creationists are correct.

The Earth was actually created 3 seconds ago. Everything that you have in your memory was put there by the Lord (Blessed be his cotton socks) and all this talk of 1992 was planted by the Devil (erm cursed be his ....whatever)

What PROOOOF DO you have that you are right? You have none. I have all the proof I need in Scripture.

muso,

LOL

Whatever you say.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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