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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #30 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:25pm Well it wouldn't be acceptable or correct over here... so is it a Thai thing? cultures and expressions etc differ you know... You say they all say this? or you just believe someone said it? It's obviously NOT a Christian thing to do or say. So why portray it as such?
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Reply #31 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:57pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:25pm:

Well it wouldn't be acceptable or correct over here... so is it a Thai thing? cultures and expressions etc differ you know...

You say they all say this? or you just believe someone said it?

It's obviously NOT a Christian thing to do or say. So why portray it as such?

no- it wasn't thai missionaries. it was overseas religious organisations.

no- I was there, it was a common practise widely known by all around there at the time.

I was pointing out that the 'missionary' aspect of christianity has not died out- as seemed to be implied.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #32 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 1:49am lol No one said it had... yet you spread heresay and crap. based on nothing apparently.
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Reply #33 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 7:30am

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:51pm:

Nice to see through the smoke and mirrors that aboo agreed with me that catholics tried to force their religion on the world and failed and aren't doing it any more and that Christianity doesn't force 'membership" anymore.

So Aboo when is Islam going to grow-up?

Oh and gaybriel as for your belief about what the "missionary" said.. lol... anyone believing that would be acceptable has gotta be kidding themselves or grasping for straws in an apologist sort of way.

I can believe it. And it think that it is not off topic.

The Christian missionary mission is alive and well. Just not as strong as it used to be.

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Reply #34 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:16am

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here are some quote from the koran/hadiths showing islam s goal is world domination

"Make islam the dominant religion over all other religions."

There are others about humbling the infidels, making them pay the extra tax in humiliation.

Sura 8:39 “Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and
Allah’s religion shall reign supreme.”

True Muslims fight for Allah.” (4:76).
4:104 Seek out your enemies relentlessly

5:34 Those that make war against Allah and his apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.
5:35 Fight valiantly for His cause, so that you may triumph.
5:39 As for the man or woman who is guilty of theft, cut off their hands to punish them for their crimes.
44:14-16 They denied him (Mohammed) saying: ‘A madman taught by others’. On that day we will inflict on them the supreme punishment and avenge ourself.

8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

there are many other like it. openly encouraging warfare and extremism till everyone is overwhelmed

Surely lestat and abu should have been able to post these for us ??

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #35 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 10:10am loc... read my quote, couldn't see the words off topic nor any denial that missionaries still exist.
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Reply #36 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:26am

Grendel wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:07am:

Well you'd be wrong then gaybriel.

The Catholics tried it.

They aren't trying it anymore.

In Christianity belief and "membership" is not forced.

this is what you said about the attempt to convert others (which is a big part of what missionaries do)- my comment was in response to that. so yes it was said

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Reply #37 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:33am

no you are totally wrong and no amount of wrigglin will make you right.
It doesn't say anywhere that missionaries don't exist. I'd have stated that.

nice try.. no prize

hey guess what... other religions have missionaries too... even Islam.
(psst... lots of their current recruiting is done in NSW gaols)

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41344 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #38 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:36am Could the mod delete the last 2 3 posts, persistantly offtopic
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Reply #39 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:41am

Oh and gaybriel... just as further proof and to show you shouldn't jump in with assumptions and not read all a topic and comment out of context...

I supply the following..

The comment quoted was in direct context with the phrase/term "world domination"

oh and previously i already stated..

ROTFLMAO

Of course there is no such thing as Christian missionaries.
Of course the Muslim invasion of India wasn't the bloodiest in human history.
Oh and the Crusades of course were not the retaking of Jerusalem.
Of course the murder of Christians just because they aren't Muslim doesn't happen. Nor did the Bali bombing. Etc, etc, etc.

Oh and...

Islam believes itself to be the one true religion.

The Koran the unadulterated word of God.

All must submit to Islam eventually.

Whether by free will or by the sword.

Which in context means I did already state quite emphatically there are Christian Missionaries.

If in doubt go back and reread the complete topic. My meaning is completely clear. You dear... were W R O N G.

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Reply #40 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:55am

Grendel wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 11:41am:

Oh and gaybriel... just as further proof and to show you shouldn't jump in with assumptions and not read all a topic and comment out of context...

I supply the following..

The comment quoted was in direct context with the phrase/term "world domination"

oh and previously i already stated..

ROTFLMAO

Of course there is no such thing as Christian missionaries.
Of course the Muslim invasion of India wasn't the bloodiest in human history.
Oh and the Crusades of course were not the retaking of Jerusalem.
Of course the murder of Christians just because they aren't Muslim doesn't happen. Nor did the Bali bombing. Etc, etc, etc.

Oh and...

Islam believes itself to be the one true religion.

The Koran the unadulterated word of God.

All must submit to Islam eventually.

Whether by free will or by the sword.

Which in context means I did already state quite emphatically there are Christian Missionaries.

If in doubt go back and reread the complete topic. My meaning is completely clear. You dear... were W R O N G.

I read it within context- perhaps you should have clarified your statement that I quoted previously

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Reply #41 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 12:03pm

honestly... is English your first language.

Go back and start at the beginning.
I cant be bothered pointing out how wrong you are yet again.
Anyone with a modicum of colloquial English can clearly see what I said and that I already clearly pointed out Christian Missionaries exist.

Just face it you were wrong and stop wasting my time and boring me and everyone else by making me repeat myself ad nauseum.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41344 Gender:	Re: ISLAM - WORLD SUBMISSION THE ULTIMATE GOAL Reply #42 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 12:11pm could the mod at least move these offtopic posts to a new thread under the appropriate heading. they have got nothing at all to do with the topic.
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