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Reply #60 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 10:42am
 
Cool. I've been to Hong Kong and Guanzhou and many other parts of China. I'm a self confessed Sinophile. I love all aspects of Chinese culture, except maybe the humour Smiley Northern Chinese humour comes out to me more like the tales of Aesop than jokes.
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Reply #61 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 12:22pm
 
Can you give an example of Chinese humour?
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Reply #62 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 1:51pm
 
小姐去算命﹐算命先生看了就說﹔“帶凶兆﹗”

小姐說﹔“那我就把它拿掉吧。”

先生說﹕“不行﹐要是拿掉﹐妳的人生就會出現兩個大波。”
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Reply #63 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
I don't get it.
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Reply #64 - Dec 3rd, 2008 at 2:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 1:55pm:
I don't get it.



LOL Ok.

One of the problems of translation is 'tone puns'.

I'll try harder, but our new contributer may have some better examples:

A wealthy man lived between the houses of two blacksmiths, and was constantly annoyed by the noise of their hammers, so that he could not get rest, night or day. First he asked them to strike more gently; then he made them great promises if they would remove at once. The two blacksmiths consented, and he, overjoyed to get rid of them, prepared a grand banquet for their entertainment. When the banquet was over, he asked them where they were going to take up their new abodes, and they replied--to the intense dismay of their worthy host, no doubt: "He who lives on the left of your house is going to that on the right; and he who lives on your right is going to the house on your left."
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Reply #65 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:54pm
 
Middle Sky wrote on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 3:35pm:
Hey guys, new member here. Just some basic info about me to start off with:
Age: 22
Race: Asian
Born and lives in: Australia
Occupation: Student/PT shelfstacker (ugh)


I've been lurking for a little bit and i just had to respond to this thread (of course since this topic is a touchy subject for me Tongue)

I don't want to seem hostile/intrusive/long-winded as a newcomer, but i really disagree with what some of you guys have to say in regards to telling fakir to shut up. I personally don't care so much about inclusion of other races in the media so much as promotion of stereotypes in the media, but i feel a lot of you guys have to ask yourselves:

what do you truly know about the recieving end of racism?

i mean do you guys understand why slurs such as gweilo are not as offensive to white people as gook or black person are to non-white people? It's not because non-white people are a bunch of whingers who "can't take a joke". If you were in the same position you'd be feeling the same.

You have to think of the history behind these words.
Basic history behind the slur 'Gook' for example:
h t t p://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2rpvj9NSXM

The slur 'gweilo', as it relates to whites, came from the situation of colonisers occupying hong kong as a result of the opium wars. Most of you guys don't have a violent or unpleasant experience from it either.

A racial slur is like me telling you to f off, but to me, it means a lot more to do with world history and my own personal history. Just because it's not offensive for you, doesn't mean it's not offensive for others.

For a more eloquent way of putting it and from a white guys perspective, I'd recommend Tim Wise's essays.
h t t p://w w w.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/honkywannacracker.html
(It's about the USA specifically but mostly applies here in any case)

Thanks for reading and i hope you understand where i'm coming from.


Hi Middle Sky.

'Redneck' is a word that's used to put down white people. It isn't seen as a 'racial slur,' but it might as well be. 'Honky' and 'cracker' are terms used by black people in a futile attempt to counter the 'n####r' insult.

I guess white people are just not insulted by racial insults because at the end of the day, we pretty much created the modern world. And we know it, but don't say it, because it's 'politically incorrect.' Although the Japanese and Chinese have been doing their fair share of contributing to the modern world, lately.

I guess Greeks and Italians weren't as offended by the 'w##s' insult, because they were aware that without mathematics, astrology and other assorted practices they perfected 2000-4000 years ago, the anglos wouldn't be where they are today.

I condemn all forms of racial slurs. They are simply unnecessary. However, I am not deluded by the notion that 'all people are created equal.' People are clearly unequal. And I guess you could say that I'm racist somewhat because I believe some races are intellectually superior to others on a genetic basis.
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Reply #66 - Dec 4th, 2008 at 8:25pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 2:13pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 1:55pm:
I don't get it.



LOL Ok.

One of the problems of translation is 'tone puns'.

I'll try harder, but our new contributer may have some better examples:

A wealthy man lived between the houses of two blacksmiths, and was constantly annoyed by the noise of their hammers, so that he could not get rest, night or day. First he asked them to strike more gently; then he made them great promises if they would remove at once. The two blacksmiths consented, and he, overjoyed to get rid of them, prepared a grand banquet for their entertainment. When the banquet was over, he asked them where they were going to take up their new abodes, and they replied--to the intense dismay of their worthy host, no doubt: "He who lives on the left of your house is going to that on the right; and he who lives on your right is going to the house on your left."



It is very funny
but I like the original Quote:
小姐去算命﹐算命先生看了就說﹔“帶凶兆﹗”

小姐說﹔“那我就把它拿掉吧。”

先生說﹕“不行﹐要是拿掉﹐妳的人生就會出現兩個大波。”


better because it is shorter and more visual and I am visually oriented type.

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Reply #67 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 10:03pm
 
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I condemn all forms of racial slurs. They are simply unnecessary. However, I am not deluded by the notion that 'all people are created equal.' People are clearly unequal. And I guess you could say that I'm racist somewhat because I believe some races are intellectually superior to others on a genetic basis.


Modern society's necessity for everyone to play nice, means that even if they had rolled gold scientific proof of this fact, it would never see the light of day on public interest immunity grounds.
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Reply #68 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 10:39pm
 
There is plenty of scientific research into race and IQ. They just haven't found consistent differences. The more they eliminate language and culture specific aspects of IQ tests, the more universally consistent the results. Anything else is just wishful thinking on the part of racists. The racists had our entire history, up until a few decades ago (or even the present in many parts of the world) to demonstrate race differences in IQ. They failed.

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Reply #69 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:40am
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:54pm:
Hi Middle Sky.

'Redneck' is a word that's used to put down white people. It isn't seen as a 'racial slur,' but it might as well be. 'Honky' and 'cracker' are terms used by black people in a futile attempt to counter the 'n####r' insult.

I guess white people are just not insulted by racial insults because at the end of the day, we pretty much created the modern world. And we know it, but don't say it, because it's 'politically incorrect.' Although the Japanese and Chinese have been doing their fair share of contributing to the modern world, lately.

I guess Greeks and Italians weren't as offended by the 'w##s' insult, because they were aware that without mathematics, astrology and other assorted practices they perfected 2000-4000 years ago, the anglos wouldn't be where they are today.

I condemn all forms of racial slurs. They are simply unnecessary. However, I am not deluded by the notion that 'all people are created equal.' People are clearly unequal. And I guess you could say that I'm racist somewhat because I believe some races are intellectually superior to others on a genetic basis.


You don't really get my point about slurs and insults. What does this "whites invented the modern world" have to do with it?

If i said i raped your buggerin mum last night and she was a slut, you wouldn't really care since it's just poo talking. If i said that to someone whose mother was raped and murdered or something then that person would be really offended wouldnt he. When it comes to racial slurs, it's taking all that sentiment and my own personal experiences, rubbing it in my face and i can't really do anything about it. Seriously dude, there's more to it than you think. If i were you, I wouldn't really talk crap about it if i didn't know what it was like.
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Reply #70 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:41pm
 
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Culturally, Australians of all colour see "Australian" as meaning "White Australian".  When I was back in Australia last year, I didn't see one advertisement or billboard that featured a minority - why?  Because minorities don't count in Australia, and they're subconsciously viewed as not true-blue Aussies, even though on an individual level many white Australians are decent and accepting.


So advertising billboards is how you view a nation's priorities. Yes the Federal government of Australia meets regularly with the Advertising Council in order to make sure we have politically correct billboards.

Australia is like a corporation. Employees come and go. If you are on board with the team, constructive criticism is useful. But constant bleating and whining just means you will get shown the door. How about stopping with the victimhood stuff and taking responsibility for your own life. What other country would put up with all this whinging -pretty much only Euroland, the USA and Australia.

Australia provides more good for more people than just about anywhere in the world. If you want to know what true racism is, move to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Japan, China. Where is the Saudi Minister that is a foreigner? Where is the white person in the Chinese cabinet? Even if you have a chinese wife, speak mandarin and have a chinese law degree, a foreign born white person cannot practice law in China.

How's that for racism.

Or how about some really vile racism - watch Arabic TV and its caricatures of ebil Jews. That's prime time fun for the whole family righht there, institutionalised racism sanctioned expressly by sovereign Arabic governments.

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Reply #71 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 6:01pm
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:54pm:
'Redneck' is a word that's used to put down white people. It isn't seen as a 'racial slur,' but it might as well be.



Donald, Donald,

"Redneck" is just a US derived equivalent of the Australian term 'bogan'. Rednecks are just a tad unsophisticated. It's not even race related.

Roy D Mercer is best known for perpetuating the Redneck persona with his expressions such as "ass whuppin" or "I'm gonna hit you so hard your kids are gonna be borned dizzy"  in his prank phone calls.

Most rednecks are actually proud of being called rednecks, so it's an ineffective slur. The term normally evokes a series of 'hyuk's accompanied by extreme wobbling of the beergut by the true redneck.

You can check out Roy D Mercer's Doublewide here:   

http://www.roydmercer.com/main.htm
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Reply #72 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 9:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2008 at 10:39pm:
There is plenty of scientific research into race and IQ. They just haven't found consistent differences. The more they eliminate language and culture specific aspects of IQ tests, the more universally consistent the results. Anything else is just wishful thinking on the part of racists. The racists had our entire history, up until a few decades ago (or even the present in many parts of the world) to demonstrate race differences in IQ. They failed.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1181870633


Yeah. Sure FD. Whatever makes you happy.
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Reply #73 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:25pm
 
Middle Sky wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:40am:
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:54pm:
Hi Middle Sky.

'Redneck' is a word that's used to put down white people. It isn't seen as a 'racial slur,' but it might as well be. 'Honky' and 'cracker' are terms used by black people in a futile attempt to counter the 'n####r' insult.

I guess white people are just not insulted by racial insults because at the end of the day, we pretty much created the modern world. And we know it, but don't say it, because it's 'politically incorrect.' Although the Japanese and Chinese have been doing their fair share of contributing to the modern world, lately.

I guess Greeks and Italians weren't as offended by the 'w##s' insult, because they were aware that without mathematics, astrology and other assorted practices they perfected 2000-4000 years ago, the anglos wouldn't be where they are today.

I condemn all forms of racial slurs. They are simply unnecessary. However, I am not deluded by the notion that 'all people are created equal.' People are clearly unequal. And I guess you could say that I'm racist somewhat because I believe some races are intellectually superior to others on a genetic basis.


You don't really get my point about slurs and insults. What does this "whites invented the modern world" have to do with it?
If i said i raped your buggerin mum last night and she was a slut, you wouldn't really care since it's just poo talking. If i said that to someone whose mother was raped and murdered or something then that person would be really offended wouldnt he. When it comes to racial slurs, it's taking all that sentiment and my own personal experiences, rubbing it in my face and i can't really do anything about it. Seriously dude, there's more to it than you think. If i were you, I wouldn't really talk crap about it if i didn't know what it was like.


I guess the point you're trying make is that you want to learn and understand the 'history' behind the wacist insults? Yeah, sure. I find it interesting too.

I guess you're other point is that people need to be in your position to 'understand' wacism?

If not, what is your point?

On the contrary, Middle Sky, the area where I was born had a mass influx of Southern Europeans as I was growing up. My suburb was made up of about 30% Australians. I copped plenty of racially motivated insults in my schools and I was in the minority. Yet, I didn't take it to heart.

I am now in a country where about 99% of the population is non-European in origin. I've copped plenty of discrimination since I arrived here around a year ago (So please spare me the 'you don't know what it's like' routine). Yet, I don't really care about it.

And everytime I come onto a political forum or talk to them in person all I hear are a bunch of whining foreigners claiming they were  'unfairly treated' and 'discriminated against' because somebody looked at them funny in the street (Mind you, head to toe Islamic outfits are more suitable for costume parties than supermarkets in modern Australia).

I guess what I'm trying to find out is the reason why different races react so differently to racially motivated attacks. 'White' people, in my experience, are the least likely to take a wacist attack seriously. An African on the other hand...

My statement 'whites invented the modern world' was not intended to be an insult. It's just a fact. Sorry if that makes you feel smaller, but it's simply the truth. Chinese people invented a few good things too and created a pretty kick-@ss civilisation if that makes you feel any better?

Yet, you reacted in a negative way and thought I was insulting you.

I guess what i'm trying to say with the 'whites invented everything' argument is: An African or Asian can't really carry out a wacist attack on a white for being 'stupid' effectively in an offensive way, because historically, whites have invented pretty much everything in the modern world.  However, whites can attack an African for being stupid, becasue they've invented hardly anything and Africans know it. Which is why Africans feel the need to attack Europeans with the 'physical' insults (Ie. Weak, small penises etc).

Anyway, feel free to discuss the origin of wacist insults. I don't really mind.
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Reply #74 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:34pm
 

muso wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 6:01pm:
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:54pm:
'Redneck' is a word that's used to put down white people. It isn't seen as a 'racial slur,' but it might as well be.



Donald, Donald,

"Redneck" is just a US derived equivalent of the Australian term 'bogan'. Rednecks are just a tad unsophisticated. It's not even race related.

Roy D Mercer is best known for perpetuating the Redneck persona with his expressions such as "ass whuppin" or "I'm gonna hit you so hard your kids are gonna be borned dizzy"  in his prank phone calls.

Most rednecks are actually proud of being called rednecks, so it's an ineffective slur. The term normally evokes a series of 'hyuk's accompanied by extreme wobbling of the beergut by the true redneck.

You can check out Roy D Mercer's Doublewide here:  

http://www.roydmercer.com/main.htm


Muso, Muso, Muso, Muso, Muso...

Meh.

The term is beginning to be used by non-Europeans in Australia to describe Australians.  It may have originally come from the United States as a term to describe Southern Americans, but I've noticed it's starting to be used in a wacist way.

I'm well aware of its history and its 'intended' meaning. So nothing new there.
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