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Yeh a lot of them do feel outcast and rejected, even if they've been born and grown up here. But I think that will change quite quickly, so long as Rudd tries to tone things down a little, and doesn't resort to playing the terrorism card all the time like his predecessor. Did you see programs like the one where they got some Lebanese youth to sign up to become lifesavers? It wasn't a great success, but there seemed to be some progress. And some other councils are starting to take initiatives like this, to help the youth become better acquainted with one another, and break down some of the barriers.

Most Lebanese are pretty nice and friendly people. I lived for some time in Lakemba before, and never had any problems whatsoever. I am a Muslim admittedly, but they weren't necessarily all to know that. But there certainly are some troublemakers amongst them, however I don't think necessarily any more than there is amongst Greeks, Italians, Macedonians or indeed Anglos.

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Yeh not to mention the fact that sometimes we see/hear the most ludicrous media reports about Muslims especially on the poor excuses for current affairs programs we currently have. Sometimes I listen to the radio or watch the news and just think, that they're searching every corner of the globe just to dig up some dirt on Muslims. It's not always like that, but it seems at certain 'strategic' times there's an increase in such reports.... Surely there's some agenda behind it.

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No way, Australia is perhaps the most underpopulated country in the world. This country can sustain a lot more people, comfortably & without reduction in living standards, quite easily I think. We need more people to continue our growth, and the government well knows this, that's why they continue the migrant intake as aggressively as they do, even under Howard. To cut it significantly or stop it altogether would be very detrimental to Australia's growth. Sadly people like Grendel, DT and Phil cannot see this, as they're too blinded by their 'third worlder' prejudices. Although I'm sure they'd accept it if we returned the "White Australia" policy, or perhaps Phil would accept it if we took in only North East Asians, who he admits are the superior race.

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I don't know about now, but when I was at school back in the late 80's and early 90's, the curriculum was very pro-multiculturism, but I guess that was the Hawke-Keating days. Has it changed that much since then? Anyway, hopefully local councils can be a bit more involved in bridging the gaps and organising events that encourage interaction between different groups and sectors of society.

I remember during the Camden affair recently, watching some redneck hick on TV stating "We don't want them here, they're the kinda people that don't even come up to ya on the street and say G'day", and I wondered if this guy had ever even seen a Muslim before in his life, let alone had a chance to see if they are good greeters or not (actually they're generally excessive greeters).

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I honestly don't believe things will ever 'calm down,' Abu. Compare it to East Asians who were vilified for years. The Greeks and Italians. They never took it to the extent that Muslims/Lebanese youth have. It's simply part of their (Muslims in general) culture to act like stubborn, arrogant jerk-offs. The sooner their culture and values are taken away, the sooner things will calm down. I'm afraid this won't happen anytime soon though, with vile pieces of crap in our Universities continuing to corrupt Australian youth explaining how misunderstood Islam is and how 'great' multiculturalism is. I don't 'hate' Islam, immigrants or other races at all. It's the ideological pieces of krap in our Universities, Government and churches that preach this sh1te that need to be severely dealt with.


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I don't think Lebanese people are very nice. And yes, I have met quite a few in my time.

Yes, Abu is a Muslim. So I don't think anybody should consider Abu's opinion seriously on the matter. After all, Abu himself has often said on the Islamic board that it's part of Islamic 'etiquette' to 'stick up for your own.'


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Give me a break, Abu. The baseless, positive stories about Muslims are endless.

I'm sick to death of people trying to use the old, 'it's the media's fault Muslims are acting so bad because they are so harshly criticized.' Every multiculturalist prick under the sun defends Islam left, right and centre every day because of their bigoted multiculturalist ideologies. I can link you to a million articles explaining how misunderstood and 'great' ISlam is. Fact is, there are fairly balanced stories out there concerning Muslims. You just choose not to see it though, because everytime Muslims bugger up something in this country, you can just use the old, 'it's the media's fault' argument.

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I forgot to mention I'm more honest, better looking, charming and yes, modest in real life. Overwhelmingly, I have more integrity. Trust me on that last point.

I doubt people from the Middle-East or Africa can live up to all of these standards.

'Australians' to me are people of European ethnicity with European culture embedded in them.

Otherwise, you're simply an African that just so happened to be born in Australia, or a Middle Eastern guy who's mother and dad had sex on Australian soil. Nothing much, really. Not that I have anything against these people. They can't help where they were born. But they should have a good idea where they 'belong.'

Or even worse (The scumbags of all scumbags) (The dishourable of all dishonourables) (The leeches of all leeches) (0 integrity) an ethnic European who's turned his back on his own culture and adopted another culture. -And I have a funny feeling, Abu, you're one of those scumbags. Please say it ain't so, I'm mistaken and that you're not one of those scumbags and you're simply of Middle-Eastern ethnicity living in Australia.


You seem so keen to make all us wacists admit that East-Asians are so superior in intelligence.   Pretty humourous really, if that's the best argument you've got.

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You think.

Sydney is at capacity.  Melbourne's starting to have problems.
We have severe infrastructure deficits.
water crisis.
salinity crisis.
we live on the most arid populated continent on the planet.

you think we should have lots more people?  why because Australia is sooooo big.

Good grief.
It's mostly desert or too dry to sustain a population.

Where do they come from DT?

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As I've lived amongst Muslims (at times, in their 'ghettoes') for the past 10 years, I can tell you now, those Lebanese youth who go around causing problems have got nothing at all to do with Muslim culture. They are the youth who are furthest away from Islam, and who in fact are in the process of adopting Australian culture, freedoms, alcohol, drugs, open-sex etc. And you must also recognise that many of them are not Lebanese Muslims anyway, they're Lebanese Christians.

Lebanese Muslims who actually adhere to Muslim culture are generally very nice and sincere people, and obviously wouldn't be at beaches hassling bikini-clad girls or picking fights at nightclubs. To suggest otherwise is really quite disingenius.

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This is your false hope? As noted above, those who abandon their Muslim culture are the troublemakers. Those who adhere to it, are generally very positive contributors to Australian society.

However, I would suggest what must be abandoned is their attachment to nationalism for their former land. And that's quite in line with Islamic principles. Those Lebanese youth who are marauding around in gangs, are a mixture of Muslim and Christian backgrounds, their common bond with one another is being from Lebanon, not sharing the same religion. And this bond, I agree, should be dissolved.

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Admit it you do hate them, you just hate those, from your own ranks, who justify them being here more...

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The few positive articles are heavily outnumbered and you know it, and most of the positive ones are just aimed at dividing Muslims anyway by promoting the RAND groupings. Show me 3 positive articles in Australia's media about Islam in the past week. I guarantee you I can find double that number of negative articles.

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The water crises is passing, it's cyclic, and always has been. Unortunately we haven't been managing it as well as we should've been during the last iteration of that cycle. Also you must realise we waste a helluva lot of water, and we need to learn to adjust our lifestyles, immigrants or not.

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You've raised a good point here (even though I really dislike your labels, please find it in your heart to dispense with them), that migrants do tend to aggregate around the major urban centres. I think something like a mandatory period in a country area might be a good idea. Help save some of those dying towns. This has been trialled on a small scale and has been found to work. Might also help to break down some of the cultural barriers and help all Australians, new and old, interact better

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If you want to live in a white country perhaps you should migrate to Scandanavia or Russia? Australia just isn't going to be a white-only country, like it or lump it.

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That Australia is long gone, sorry mate.

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Actually you're just a 'Briton that happened to be born in this aboriginal country' (or replace with whatever your background is). All Australians, apart from the Aboriginals are recent arrivals. Not much difference between 20 years and 150 years, when you compare it to 40,000 years....

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Well in that case you should realise you belong back in England, not here. Or lets go back further, as our ancestors actually invaded England too, you belong in Germany, or even further the Caucasus mountains or even further Persia perhaps?

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I already told you quite clearly before that I am an Anglo-Australian. If the fact that I don't wanna continue living my life in a culture of alcoholism and depraved sexual promiscuity and so forth means I have 0 integrity in your eyes, so be it. I'm glad.

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Was it you? or Phil who claimed they were? Just humouring you in your assertion that intelligence is race based. Just like you look down to the races less intelligent than you, so you must look up to those more intelligent than you, and accept their disdain for your lack of intelligence.

Was that more personal abuse fd?
Are you obsessed?
Or just mad.

Funnily enough suddenly I cant cut and paste anything in here.
But be sure that I will as soon as I can.

oh and fd...  kindly keep quotes I don't make out of posts that clearly are aimed at me or differentiate whom it is you are talking to.

Crap. It's easy to criticise immigration policy without falling foul of the racial vilification laws.

Lol

honestly don't you read or are you completely ignorant?

I already mentioned hanson and the 2 dannys.

How many people are willing to risk the "attention" they took on?

better to remain silent.