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Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 11:38am
 
Abu - you mentioned health care in another thread.  Australia still doesn't have adequate health care - but yes I know there are people living under desperate conditions in other countries who could only dream of living here and largely some leaders of the western world are responsible for their misery and appalling living conditions.

This is all about war and why people have to migrate to various western countries for a better life.  But it isn't working out the way it's supposed to.



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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:06pm
 
Immigrants tend to be harder working and tend to create more jobs than they 'consume'.

Up until very recently it was a shortage of labour that was holding up the economy. Immigrants weren't taking jobs away. They were filling jobs that weren't being filled, keeping businesses afloat that otherwise would have gone under.

Slotting thousands upon thousands of migrants in a particular area will simply not lead to the two parties growing to like each other. If anything, if you stick a small number of that particular ethnic make-up in a particular area, chances are the locals will like and accept them more.

DT do you think the government should start telling people where they are allowed to live based on their immigration history?

Perhaps that could be true in some cases Abu - but Australians generally are known for being the hardest workers in the world.

We were. Not any more. Just like we aren't a sporting nation any more. We have an obesity epidemic.
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Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:28pm
 

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Abu - you mentioned health care in another thread.  Australia still doesn't have adequate health care


Adequate compared to who? Australia has pretty good health care compared to a lot of other, even Western, nations. Admittedly it was a lot more so in recent years.

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largely some leaders of the western world are responsible for their misery and appalling living conditions.


I'm glad you can see the correlation, many can't. But that isn't really the reason Western countries take in migrants. In Australia we take them in because we desperately need them. And this is sadly what DT and Phil don't understand. As I mentioned, the vast majority are on skilled migrant visas not refugees. The next largest group after that are family reunions.

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But it isn't working out the way it's supposed to.


How is it supposed to work out? And how do you think it's worked out? Surely there are some ratbags amongst migrants, as there are amongst those who migrated here a century or two before them. Do you expect every single migrant to be a model citizen, or they should be shipped back home?
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Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:33pm
 
Shipped back home, particularly if they are convicted of a criminal offense. We have enough ratbags who are born here that we have to keep here regardless of how they behave, I think it's sensible to get rid of ratbag immigrants.
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Reply #19 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:42pm
 
Does this involve some kind of caste system of different 'levels' of citizenship, or are we all (except the aborigines) at risk of getting shipped back to mother england for stealing a loaf of bread?
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Reply #20 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:51pm
 
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Reply #21 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:42pm:
Does this involve some kind of caste system of different 'levels' of citizenship, or are we all (except the aborigines) at risk of getting shipped back to mother england for stealing a loaf of bread?

No. If you're born here you stay.  Tongue
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Reply #22 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 4:28pm
 

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No. If you're born here you stay.


Unless you're a Muslim right?

Or are you under some delusion still that all Muslims are born overseas, and any woman who wears a hijab can't speak English?
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 4:42pm
 
No, muslim or non-muslim. I know many muslims are born here.
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Reply #24 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:46pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 6:25am:
The vast majority of immigrants are coming on skilled migrant visas...

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Australia's overall migration program will now be 190,300 for this year, and 133,500 of those places will be allocated for permanent skilled migrants.
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I guess they include 'trolley pushing' and 'taxi driving' as their list of 'skills,' Abu.

Have you had a look at the newly arrived African immigrants lately first-hand? Holy crap. Never have I seen such an unskilled bunch in my life.  


abu_rashid wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 6:25am:
I don't think you're worried about 'third worlders', I think you're perhaps worried about losing your job to a more skilled, harder working, less demanding foreigner.


Grin  If you knew what I was doing right now, you'd probably laugh at the statement you just made too.

Anyway, I'm far too skilled, well-spoken, polite, intelligent, well-dressed, well-groomed and not to mention hygienic to worry about immigrants reducing my job opportunities, Abu. Employers would kill for an actual 'Aussie' like me. If anything, I'm sticking up for other Australians out of the goodness of my heart. Because unlike multiculturalism supporters and anti-wacists, I actually 'care' about other Australians.

The only attraction in hiring immigrants over me would be the promise of paying them less rather than hiring an expensive Aussie like myself. Sure, the employers business will suffer as a result of poor communication and efficiency. But overall they can make up for it in the long run by paying their employers less.

This, in turn, affects the living conditions of all Australians (Including perhaps even myself) by reducing the average blue collar Aussies pay to compete with the immigrants.

Like I always say, the only people who want third worlders in this country are those who own businesses and need to save a cheap buck.


freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 6:25am:
Immigrants tend to be harder working and tend to create more jobs than they 'consume'.


Is that so?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/give-us-a-break-australia-is-hard-at-work...

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Even with four weeks' annual leave, Australians are already the hardest-worked citizens in the Western world. We bear an average workload of 1855 hours a year - more than workers in the United States, Japan or anywhere in Europe.

Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews wants his changes to allow workers to swap two weeks of annual leave for money, but in fact our four weeks is already in the lower half of Western leave levels.

...Or is that just the natural assumption of the average brainwashed multiculturalism/anti-wacist moron?
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:59pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 4:28pm:
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No. If you're born here you stay.


and any woman who wears a hijab can't speak English?


They can but curioussly many of them start speaking with the distinctive lilt of the Australian-born Lebanese (and Arabic background generally). It is quite a distinctite accent, the native speaking Australians for whom Arabic is a second laanguage and who speak Arabic to older rellies. And so even non-arab Australian women who convert to islam tend - not always, of course - to speak like that even if Arabic is not a second laguage to them.
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Reply #26 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 7:30am
 
Well done DT... aboo showed us all his ignorance via stereotypical bigotry something he continually rails against...  hypocrite that he is.

Saved me looking up the stats etc re just how hardworking Australians actually are. Gotta be right, to make up for the welfare trundled out to certain communities who abuse our good-wil and nature.
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Reply #27 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:00pm
 
jordan484 wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:53pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 12:42pm:
Does this involve some kind of caste system of different 'levels' of citizenship, or are we all (except the aborigines) at risk of getting shipped back to mother england for stealing a loaf of bread?

No. If you're born here you stay.  Tongue


So for immigrants, citizenship is not actually citizenship - it is only extended to their kids, effectively creating two castes.

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freediver wrote on Oct 14th, 2008 at 6:25am:
Immigrants tend to be harder working and tend to create more jobs than they 'consume'.


Is that so?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/give-us-a-break-australia-is-hard-at-work...

Quote:
Give us a break: Australia is hard at work

By Tim Colebatch
Economics editor, Canberra
July 7, 2005

Even with four weeks' annual leave, Australians are already the hardest-worked citizens in the Western world. We bear an average workload of 1855 hours a year - more than workers in the United States, Japan or anywhere in Europe.

Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews wants his changes to allow workers to swap two weeks of annual leave for money, but in fact our four weeks is already in the lower half of Western leave levels.

...Or is that just the natural assumption of the average brainwashed multiculturalism/anti-wacist moron?



Uh DT, we are so hardworking as a nation because of all the immigrants. The immigratns are making up for all the lazy aussies who were 'born with silver spoon in hand'.

The fact that immigrants are harder working and create jobs for Australians is well documented.
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Reply #28 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:00pm:
Uh DT, we are so hardworking as a nation because of all the immigrants. The immigratns are making up for all the lazy aussies who were 'born with silver spoon in hand'.

The fact that immigrants are harder working and create jobs for Australians is well documented.


I never usually respond to you because you're annoying and you make conversations go in pointless directions, but I just have to ask...

What are you basing all that off? Seems like pretty baseless assumptions to me.
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Reply #29 - Oct 15th, 2008 at 3:39pm
 
Immigrants are better educated: report

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Migrants are better educated, more law-abiding, are generally healthier and less dependent on welfare than the average Australian-born citizen, a new report reveals.

The costs of migration were found to be low and mainly associated with migrants adjusting to Australia after their arrival.

Researchers found only a "marginal" incidence of racial prejudice to migration, which was overshadowed by a widespread appreciation of the cultural and social benefits to Australia from its migration program.

UNE professor Jim Walmsley, co-editor of the report, said there was no evidence of a "migrant underclass" or "ethnic enclave ghettos" in Australia and the report "dispelled a number of myths about the impact of migrants on the host community".

"On the contrary, the available evidence overwhelmingly supports the view that migrants to Australia have made substantial contributions to Australia's stock of human, social and produced capital," Prof Walmsley said.
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