sprint,
Quote:abu - self criticism leads to growth.
Introspection leads to growth, not public criticism.
Quote:It means you want to become better.
No, it means *you* want to see Muslims infighting, publically denouncing one another and becoming sectarian.
gaybriel,
Quote:I actually agree that a lack of criticism from within the muslim community could creates such ideas that all muslims are in support of certain things.
This is ridiculous. Firstly many Muslim scholars have re-iterated the Islamic teachings that targetting civilians in conflicts is forbidden. But tell me gaybriel, when the Allies are dropping bombs on civilians all over the place, do you think any Muslim resisting them would be willing to listen to such things? How can you tell people who are being bombed daily, they shouldn't aattack civilians, when their civilians are constantly being targetted? Just because the allies make press releases afterwards and do the usual "we didn't mean it, unfortunate accident", and half the time they even deny it and flat out lie or claim it was much less casualties than it was, this happened just a few days ago, they were forced to admit they blatantly lied about how many civilians were killed.
Just today I heard a UK commander on the news admitting that the excessive amount of 'collateral damage' is causing them to lose the war, and is throwing the support of the people towards the Talibaan.
All we hear is about Muslims killing civilians, we agree it's not correct and shouldn't be done, but the West is constantly butchering civilians and then lies about it, and then explains it away as necessary 'collateral damage' although of course they add that it's unfortunate..... It's nothing but hypocrisy, and the West are far worse in this issue. Even though the sensationalist media would have us believe it's the other way 'round. It clearly isn't.
Quote:if supporting your brother means stopping him from being an opressor- couldn't constructive criticism also be a way of supporting your brother/sister?
Islam discourages public reprimanding. It's preferred to advise someone privately without embaressing or shaming them. I certainly don't think that it's permitted to publically accuse and correct Muslims just as a show for the non-Muslims. And that's what's wanted here.
Quote:but I think if something is proven- then constructive criticism etc can be a good thing- not to tear someone down but to 1) point out the fault in that person's actions and attitudes so that others do not mimic them thinking they are acceptable
As stated, it has been pointed out to them, but as I said, when the West are slaughtering civilians left, right and centre.. it probably won't mean much to anyone. How can you advise people not to respond in kind when it's happening to them daily? and in much more severe measures?
How can an Islamic scholar advise Palestinians not to target civilians, when their civilians have constantly been targetted for the past 60 odd years?
The quite clear solution is, the West must stop doing these things before they begin asking Muslims to do anything. Listen to people like Michael Scheuer, who is an expert on this conflict, and he stated that thee Muslims are just resisting our offensive invasions, if we leave them alone, they'll probably leave us alone.
Even if we look all the way back to the Eisenhower administration, it's quite clear the US has been meddling in Muslim lands, and they are WELL AWARE that it's the root of the hostility they get back from the Muslim lands, here is a declassified government memo from that time:
"There's a campaign of hatred against us in the Middle East, not by governments, but by the people." The National Security Council discussed that question and said, "Yes, and the reason is, there's a perception in that region that the United States supports status quo governments, which prevent democracy and development and that we do it because of our interests in Middle East oil. Furthermore, it's difficult to counter that perception because it's correct. It ought to be correct. We ought to be supporting brutal and corrupt governments which prevent democracy and development because we want to control Middle East oil, and it's true that leads to a campaign of hatred against us."It's the exact same situation till this day. They recognised it over half a century ago, but they did nothing to reverse it, they just continued doing the same things and causing the problem to become even worse until it reached it's current crisis state....
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