Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 11:49am:



sprint,
ISLAM, muslim, can never, never, never,

ever

, admit mistakes to, or against non-muslims.

All of their lives, muslims have it drummed into them.....

ISLAM, good.
Everyone else, bad.

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110

And as you know, the Koran is inerrant, and incapable of being wrong.
/sarc off



Soren previously, said something of the culture of 'tribal' shame.

And here is a further examination of this characteristic [deep flaw?] of tribal ppl's....

"....
Islamic cultures are shame based. Shame is a painful experience. To avoid shame you have to hide the source of shame. This means you must protect the image. Your entire self esteem and self worth depends on that image. When you are shamed you become violence. Violence is one way we humans deal with shame.....
.....The Western culture, is guilt based.  The Eastern culture is shame based. For us Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us.
The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty. 
If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image. The opposite of shame is honor. You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person.  .  It is all about shame and honor.  If the stain of shame is removed, even if it means the murder of your own daughter, honor is restored.  These are two very different worldviews. Unless we understand them we will not be able to make sense of Muslims and their minds."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 11:49am:



yeah!!! I hate it when people believe in their beliefs!! how dumb!

especially when you post 'evidence' from wikipedia and anti-islam sites!!

surely that will sway them!

"hey muslims,

I hate you and here's all the reasons you suck! what? you're not going to abandon your religion! that's dumb!

with hatred in my heart,

Bigot"

who wouldn't change their mind?

it's like when you believe that islam is totally crap- and then muslims post up evidence that it isn't, and people post articles from the media about equality and human rights and all that- and you TOTALLY change your beliefs!

amazing how you're able to change your beliefs based on what other people view as evidence...oh wait...you don't? hmmm

Whether you choose to blame extremist Islam, or western media, Islam has been imposed on western society's consciousness.

We would prefer not to even have to think about it, outside of maybe donating to Amnesty International to stick up for the rights of people in Islamic countries.

I like most, could not care less what people want to believe, if they keep their beliefs to themselves, and do not see their mission as being to have their beliefs proliferated throughout society.

It is when that begins to happen that people question just what these beliefs are, and how do they fit into our society.

It is muslims who want to see sharia courts in western countries, it is muslims who want us to change our ways to accommodate  their beliefs.

So stop playing the poor old martyr card, and either live in an Islamic nation, or accept the restrictions to practising your faith, that following the customs and laws of a western democracy requires of you.

It is not your religious right to impose acceptance of your beliefs onto non-muslim countries.

Perhaps you could enlighten us then?

What a spanner you are Lestat.

All western media is lies, all islamic sources are true.
Do you feel embarrassed about your bias?

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Which you consider to be wrong.....so you would also consider muslims forcing their belief onto non-muslims wrong also?

jordan484 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2008 at 12:59pm:


Perhaps if you could provide examples, I can comment.

Do you believe its wrong that the west is enforcing its beliefs on ...say Iraq?