thanks for the reminder mozzaok.
SBS is the best tv station, have put it in my phone to remind me.

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There was a documentary on this occurrence in our gaols a year or so ago - but we have to question why this is happening.  These men aren't turning to Islam because they want a higher power to worship -they are using Islam only as an excuse for future violence because of their hatred for us and the system.  Many of these converts are aborigines.   We need to accept some of the blame and make an effort to change the mindset of those who can't function in the mainstream.


THE NSW Government has launched a prison crackdown on a group of the state's most dangerous criminals who have converted to Islam.

The targets are held in the highest security jail in Australia, the Super Max facility inside the walls of Goulburn jail, where one in three of the inmates is a Muslim fundamentalist or a convert.

Two prison converts, one a convicted murderer and the other a rapist, have married Muslim women in marriage ceremonies conducted over the telephone on party lines.

Attorney-General John Hatzistergos is introducing sweeping changes to the prison regulations so the Super Max Muslims are monitored 24/7 because of safety and security fears.

"We have to be able to control every movement and every utterance because of the threat they pose," Mr Hatzistergos told The Sun-Herald. "We don't want to see any risk to people either inside or outside the system. We simply can't take our eye off them."

Called the "Super Max Jihadists", they are easily identifiable, with shaven heads, long beards, carrying prayer beads and conducting prayers at least three times a day in their cells.

Their ringleader and powerbroker is Bassam Hamzy, jailed for 21 years for the cold-blooded shooting murder of an 18-year-old man outside the Mr Goodbar nightclub in Oxford Street in 1998.

Prison officers have confiscated pictures of Osama bin Laden from the walls of Hamzy's cell. Prisoners have been captured on surveillance tapes kneeling in front of Hamzy and kissing his hands.

The 37 Super Max inmates, including backpacker serial killer Ivan Milat, have committed 48 murders and are serving combined sentences of 550 years.

Now 12 of them claim adherence to Islam and form a close-knit culture in the purpose-built jail within a jail. Under Mr Hatzistergos's new measures, Hamzy and his apostles will be deemed "extreme high security" and be subject to controls that can be ordered at any time by NSW Corrective Services commissioner Ron Woodham.

The crackdown will stop money being sent by sympathisers on the outside to influence inmates to convert to Islam.

In future, Mr Woodham will have to approve in advance any sums of money sent to inmates' accounts in the "extreme high security" category.

"We don't have a difficulty with people taking up a religion per se in jail," Mr Hatzistergos said.

"A lot of people do and that can be beneficial.

"Where we do draw the line is where religion is really a camouflage for other activities.

"If any person thinks that by taking up religion, that somehow it is going to lead to them being treated differently on a day-to-day basis, they will be sadly mistaken."

He was supported by Mr Woodham, who said: "We're concerned about real heavy criminals who have had no interest in religion at all during their lives but, on coming to jail, then convert to Islam.

"A number of Aboriginal prisoners, unfortunately, doing impossible sentences, have converted to Islam. They denounce their Aboriginality for Islam."

Outlining the new powers to case-manage the Hamzy followers, Mr Hatzistergos said: "They can be moved around the jail system for any purpose at any time.

"The commissioner can put in place any additional security arrangements he wishes, including a restriction on contact visits, monitoring those visits, monitoring phone calls, recording phone calls and checking all mail."

Mr Hatzistergos, who is also Justice Minister, said the Department of Corrective Services would face justifiable criticism if it didn't act in response to the safety and security of the prison system being compromised. "We make no apologies for it," he said. "We are dealing here with, religion or no religion, some of the worst of the worst offenders who have no respect for authority.

"The thought that somehow religion has acted as a catharsis for them and made them see the light is, quite frankly, ludicrous."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/islam-prison-gang-busted/2007/04/21/11766971...

Also look at the clear contradiction in these two statements:

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Since when have government ministers begun second guessing the intentions of an individual and their conviction to their faith?

tallowood wrote on Sep 30^th, 2008 at 9:35am:

Too late.

I saw you were online, so the post was just for your benefit...no one else would have bothered to comment on it, but I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself.

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It would seem a more logical conclusion that the article is inaccurately misrepresenting what these people are. As it doesn't say they don't pray 5 times a day, it says they pray at least 3 times a day. I wonder if they'd converted to Christianity, would it mention how often they pray? Would it even be an issue? I just don't see the relevance.

On what basis do you conclude that he must be a con-man? I can't see anything in the article to suggest he's a con-man, other than the Justice Minister obviously seems to want to present a certain agenda about these prisoners.

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That may well be so, but we'd need at least some kind of evidence to accuse individuals of being Christian con-men, wouldn't we? why not when it's Muslims? Are they just automatically considered con-men and insincere converts, simply because the Justice Minister said so?

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I doubt it occurs. I think it's more propaganda, to make them appear fanatical and totally devoted to him, not realising that it wouldn't be acceptable inside Islam. Those who make false claims against Islam often trip themselves up like this.

If you ask me, it's just bizarre that a Justice Minister would involve himself in such claims about the sincerity of someone's belief... It would never happen except in the case of Islam, I know that for sure!

actually if you bothered to read my posts, you'd see they were addressing the article by mantra, nothing to do with the program at all.

Then again, you see Muslims posting, so you gotta assume they're denying right? No need to actually read.

What was the name of that SBS program?

It seems a bit abhorrent that Islamicists are going to jails to recruit angry people (men I'm assuming). Are they recruiting them to make them less angry or to make use of their anger?

P.S. Sprint, I hope you put away your airbrush.

abu_rashid
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Probably bacause nobody has ever seen a picture of a Christian, Chaplain or otherwise,  with a placard saying 'behead those who isult jesus' .

There is no equivalence between Muslim and non-Muslim action and agitation. The standards are foundamentally and, at present, irreconcilably different.

Muslims accept, or use, ideas of western tolerance and accommodation only when it suits them for short term rhetorical or propaganda purposes. They do not believe them. They believee in submission, which for non-muslims under muslim rule is called dhimmitude.

There is no equal right under Islam. There is equal right under secular western law (the succesor of christianity for your purposes).

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I haven't seen the show so I can't really comment.

But it does send a shiver down my spine to think of violent people converting to Islam.
Are they really going to become non-violent people or are they just going to redirect their violence?

There's far too many "loopholes" in the Koran that allow for violence in the name of Allah for my liking.

abu_rashid ,

You raised the question in the context of 'saving'
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When an answer is given indicating Muslim propensity for violence, you immediately change tack and start talking about punishment for blasphemy to create equivalence and justification.
It is a  very predictable, obvious rhetorical device, favoured by Mulism apologists like you.

Once it is noticed, interlocutors await it and place bets on how it will be introduced. It is amusing.

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You are not a Christian nor a proponent of the 'Judaeo-Christian tradition', so the mention of Christian history wasn't aimed at you. Please disregard.

If any of you missed it, youtube has it in 5 parts, here are the links.

Part 1  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOvg1ijZr0

Part 2  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=oTwGzWrY3Jc&feature=related

Part 3  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7vw4d6ee_Ck&feature=related

Part 4  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ICJ9t6Mdc&feature=related

Part 5  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ICJ9t6Mdc&feature=related