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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Jail to Jihad tonight Reply #15 - Oct 4^th, 2008 at 8:58pm What was the name of that SBS program? It seems a bit abhorrent that Islamicists are going to jails to recruit angry people (men I'm assuming). Are they recruiting them to make them less angry or to make use of their anger? P.S. Sprint, I hope you put away your airbrush.
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Reply #16 - Oct 4^th, 2008 at 9:09pm

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It seems a bit abhorrent that Islamicists are going to jails to recruit angry people

What's so abhorrent about wanting to save people from a wicked and immoral life? When Christian chaplains are the ones doing it, nobody bats an eyelid.

Besides I don't think anyone went their to 'recruit' them, a fellow prisoner reformed himself and began preaching to others, that's what I understood from it anyway.

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Reply #17 - Oct 4^th, 2008 at 10:09pm

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When Christian chaplains are the ones doing it, nobody bats an eyelid.

Probably bacause nobody has ever seen a picture of a Christian, Chaplain or otherwise, with a placard saying 'behead those who isult jesus' .

There is no equivalence between Muslim and non-Muslim action and agitation. The standards are foundamentally and, at present, irreconcilably different.

Muslims accept, or use, ideas of western tolerance and accommodation only when it suits them for short term rhetorical or propaganda purposes. They do not believe them. They believee in submission, which for non-muslims under muslim rule is called dhimmitude.

There is no equal right under Islam. There is equal right under secular western law (the succesor of christianity for your purposes).

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Reply #18 - Oct 4^th, 2008 at 10:32pm

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Probably bacause nobody has ever seen a picture of a Christian, Chaplain or otherwise, with a placard saying 'behead those who isult jesus' .
There is no equivalence between Muslim and non-Muslim action and agitation.

For 90% of Christianity's history, blasphemy has been a crime punishable by death. In many Western countries it's still a crime, but the sentence has been commuted to imprisonment.

You seem to still be under your delusion that Judaism and Christianity are inherently benign religions, and that's why Western nations are so tolerant, whilst Islam is violent and fanatical. Christianity is agreed not as 'strict' as Islam, but Judaism is much stricter. Islam is a middle ground between the two.

So the difference is not really in the teachings, it's more in the personal adherence of the followers. Christians and Jews are just less practising, whilst Muslims are more practising.

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Reply #19 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 1:28am

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What's so abhorrent about wanting to save people from a wicked and immoral life? When Christian chaplains are the ones doing it, nobody bats an eyelid.

I haven't seen the show so I can't really comment.

But it does send a shiver down my spine to think of violent people converting to Islam.
Are they really going to become non-violent people or are they just going to redirect their violence?

There's far too many "loopholes" in the Koran that allow for violence in the name of Allah for my liking.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Jail to Jihad tonight Reply #20 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 7:39am abu_rashid wrote on Oct 4^th, 2008 at 10:32pm: For 90% of Christianity's history...... HISTORY is the key word, and you use Christian history to excuse Islam today. History cannot be changed, so the only thing that is truly relevant is today, and today Islam is as abhorrent as Christianity was in the past.
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Reply #21 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 10:06am

abu_rashid ,

You raised the question in the context of 'saving'
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What's so abhorrent about wanting to save people from a wicked and immoral life? When Christian chaplains are the ones doing it, nobody bats an eyelid.

When an answer is given indicating Muslim propensity for violence, you immediately change tack and start talking about punishment for blasphemy to create equivalence and justification.
It is a very predictable, obvious rhetorical device, favoured by Mulism apologists like you.

Once it is noticed, interlocutors await it and place bets on how it will be introduced. It is amusing.

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Reply #22 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 11:11am

Amadd,

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But it does send a shiver down my spine to think of violent people converting to Islam.
Are they really going to become non-violent people or are they just going to redirect their violence?
There's far too many "loopholes" in the Koran that allow for violence in the name of Allah for my liking.

How about if they were to convert to Judaism? Still send a shiver down your spine?

Did you see the video the other day of the Jewish settlers roaming into an Arab village and opening fire on them?

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You raised the question in the context of 'saving'
When an answer is given indicating Muslim propensity for violence, you immediately change tack and start talking about punishment for blasphemy to create equivalence and justification.

Actually you're the one who moved the conversation from saving to violence.

"Probably bacause nobody has ever seen a picture of a Christian, Chaplain or otherwise, with a placard saying 'behead those who isult jesus'."

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Once it is noticed, interlocutors await it and place bets on how it will be introduced. It is amusing.

Gambling is a vice that will bring you no profit.

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Reply #23 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 11:13am

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HISTORY is the key word, and you use Christian history to excuse Islam today. History cannot be changed, so the only thing that is truly relevant is today, and today Islam is as abhorrent as Christianity was in the past.

You are not a Christian nor a proponent of the 'Judaeo-Christian tradition', so the mention of Christian history wasn't aimed at you. Please disregard.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Jail to Jihad tonight Reply #24 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 4:05pm Get a grip. I am entitled to comment on any religion. It makes no difference if I am a member of that religion or not. Nice deflection by the way.
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Reply #25 - Oct 5^th, 2008 at 8:38pm

If any of you missed it, youtube has it in 5 parts, here are the links.

Part 1 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOvg1ijZr0

Part 2 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=oTwGzWrY3Jc&feature=related

Part 3 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7vw4d6ee_Ck&feature=related

Part 4 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ICJ9t6Mdc&feature=related

Part 5 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ICJ9t6Mdc&feature=related

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