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Reply #135 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:19am

Rationality is in the eye of the beholder.

It's based on a belief, which the believer holds to also be rational. It's still a belief. We have a law against murder, because we BELIEVE it's not a nice thing to do. Most of us also believe that's the only rational belief to hold (thankfully), but there's plenty of other laws, all based on beliefs too, that many people will disagree over how rational they are. Abortion is one particular law (mentioned in another thread recently).

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Reply #136 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:22am

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:06am:

As far as I know there is nothing in communist ideology against public nudity. Australia also has plenty of public nudists.

Why then in the 1982 Grand Final a naked female stripper on the MCG field was arrested by police and charged?
What would happen if you go naked near a school or in a business centre?
As for communist ideology the MCCB contradicts your assertion.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #137 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:25am MCCB? Why then in the 1982 Grand Final a naked female stripper on the MCG field was arrested by police and charged? I think it is illegal to run onto the field during a game. This became a bit of a problem for a while.
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Reply #138 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:30am

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:25am:

MCCB?

Why then in the 1982 Grand Final a naked female stripper on the MCG field was arrested by police and charged?

I think it is illegal to run onto the field during a game. This became a bit of a problem for a while.

But other people did and were removed without being charged with indecent behaviour.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #139 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:34am What is the MCCB?
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Reply #140 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:40am

Criminal law, public decency, traffic laws, taxes, finance laws etc. And in these areas EVERY single other idoelogy clearly DOES implement these kinds of laws/systems on all their citizens.

Abu, being able to tangentially relate any law to something someone beleives in hardly justifies this claim about every single ideology implimenting laws on people. An ideology is not the same as a belief. I believe 1+1=2. Is that an ideology?

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Reply #141 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:51am

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An ideology is not the same as a belief. I believe 1+1=2. Is that an ideology?

Surely you're able to discern the difference between confidence in the fact a mathematical problem and it's solution hold true, and the systematic implementation of beliefs by a state, Islamic, Communist, Democratic or otherwise. Please dispense with the childish analogies.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #142 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:55am But there is no 'systematic implimentation' of communism beyond the economic system. Likewise Australia's laws are far from systematic. Most of it is case law.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8690 Gender:	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #143 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 12:50pm freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:34am: What is the MCCB? Moral Codec of a Comunism Builder
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #144 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:03pm Who put it out? Is it communist ideology?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8690 Gender:	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #145 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:17pm freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:03pm: Who put it out? Is it communist ideology? It was worked out by ideologists of CPUSSR as 3rdCP Programm and was voted in by delegates on 22nd general meeting of CPUSSR in 1961
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #146 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:23pm So again, you are confusing Russian government propaganda with communist ideology....
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8690 Gender:	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #147 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:38pm freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:23pm: So again, you are confusing Russian government propaganda with communist ideology.... What Russian government propaganda? Looks like you have no idea what you are talking about. Go read history of USSR, CPUSSR, RSSR and CPRSSR.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53320 At my desk.	Re: Bali bristles over bikini ban bill Reply #148 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:47pm No thanks. It doesn't appear to have helped you much.
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Reply #149 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:52pm

freediver, you're still remaining completely oblivious to the point. They did legislate based on what they perceived Communist ideology to be. Likewise Australia legsilates based on what they consider Democratic or Secular ideology to be.

They permit homosexuality and nude sunbathing for instance because they believe that the principles of personal freedom that come from the Democratic and Secular ideologies hold them to be acceptable behaviours.

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