He's an American fighter who's broken his country's rules of engagement.

Likewise some Muslim fighters break the Islamic rules of engagement and target civilians, yet apparently all Muslims are responsible for them doing it, and have to make regular & very public condemnations of their actions in order to appease the other side...

The simple fact is there's a lot of hypocrisy at work here.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 10^th, 2008 at 5:56pm:


Forget the 'apparently'.  Muslims are the sea in which muslim terrorists and their masters swim. Muslim are responsible for them - they are acting in your religion's name. If you are comfortable with that, like so many millions of other muslims, you will continue to do nothing to stop them but will blame it all on the jews and the West.

Who exactly punishes the 'muslims fighters' who break the islamic rules of engagement and target civilians? Nobody. Instead, there is dancing on the street and bonus money paid to the 'martyr's' family.  


The hypocrisy is only on your side. There is no equivalence between Muslim terrorists and western populations or governments. To speak as if they were equivalent is rhetorical sleight of hand calculated to cover up a lie.

Muslims are no victims of anything except themselves. They organise their societies precisely along the lines of their understanding of Allah and Allah's decrees on human relationships. And it is there for all the world to see what that looks like.

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Agreed, there is no equivalence. One side is fighting for their very survival, and unfortunately sometimes some elements of them do resort to means that are not sanctioned by Islam. Whilst the other side is fighting for pure greed and extension of their hegemony... No equivalence at all.

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Why am I not surprised sprint is acting as your one man fanboy cheer squad? 

I have avoided as much of the extremist cat fighting as possible. I am responding here so Abu can possibly look at this sensibly rather than emotionally. I would rather have him at this forum so that I can ask sensible questions about the Islamic world.


abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:



It seems to me that what is reflective here is that this individual is being bought to justice. The only ones defending him in these actions so far are the ones that are required to defend him as a matter of due process.

Has he claimed that his actions are sanctioned or encouraged by the political system he belongs to? The article does not state that. On what authority from the defendant and his country have you made this association of acceptance or encouragemnt for this behaviour. I have little doubt that what happened is a unique incident in Iraq. It is certainly not unique in war or to any particular side.

Anyone or group who would claim this individual as an ideological son would certainly be extremists, of the most base kind and should be vilified and monitored. If he claims that these actions were sanctioned or encouraged due to a Christian belief, I would suggest that any descent person would treat him as a liar or a fundamentalist disenfranchised with humanity.
                           
As I have stated earlier, if he is found guily, he should be returned to Iraq for execution. The Iraqis could do whatever they want with the body.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:



Your post is trying to make an association with this discusting criminal action and western democracy. It is a far-fetched and spurious associative claim. As spurious as those that make an association between the actions of hezbollah and the entire Mulim world.

YOU have to acknowledge however that it is groups such as hezbollah that use tems such as "In The Name Of Islam"' and let's be honest the middle east and the Muslim world is over represented by such groups. There are also regular demonstrations of popular support for these associations and their actions. I will admit that often these demonstrations of support are often locallized to areas of prolonged conflict (so understandable) and often exaggerated by western media.

Sorry, but where is the corresponding support for this individual that would be apparent IF he were considered a role model example of the West that you are suggesting.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:


There are actually people on this forum that don't automatically think this, and prefer to judge things as best they are able and as fairly as they are able. Then you go and want to put words in their mouths.

Go ahead and post this scumbag as an extremist, murderous cretin. Criticize his being discharged from the armed forces honourably, yes that needs to be investigated. But he is being bought to trial, and to be punished probably with the extreme form of punishment in the western system. And NO RIGHT MINDED PERSON wants to give cause for anyone to duplicate his actions. He will not be missed.

You have the added bonus of believing his punishments in the afterlife will be painful, long, and many.

Yeah Christianity sucks in the sense that you don't have to be good to be rewarded, just ask for forgiveness and believe.

No wonder the mafia are so in love with being Catholic.

Mozzaok and easel - That's not my understanding of christianity.
Really good point you have bought up.
Start a new thread if you want a chat on it.
Topics get lost if just left to ramble aimlessly

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 11^th, 2008 at 8:30pm:



Just by way of exposing extremism, in case you are wondering where to file this or whether it is on topic:

It is not anti-Islamic fanaticism to notice that only Muslims murder and maim innocent civilians in the name of their religion and as a matter of deliberate policy - in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, London, Madrid, not to mention the killing and maiming of innocent fellow muslims virtully every day in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq.
I am not even talking about the fighting of armies and police. I am talking about the deliberate and routine targeting of civilians.

There is no other religion today that is used so consistently and frequently and bloodily to justify the murder of innocents. Islam is the only religion today that can be and therefore is used as justification for murder of innocents.

I am not the one who uses islam to justify murder. I am not the anti-islamic fanatic who gives Islam a bad name. I did not make the muslim suicide bombers blow up themselves at the gates of universities in Iraq just when the young students came out in the afternoon. There were no scary Jooos or evil Ameericans there. The  Pakistani chavs who blew up themselves and scores of others in London were not brainswahed by me, horrible anti-islamic fanatic that I am. Equally, none of the Madrid bombers, the beheders of Thai schoolgirls and teachers, the Indian train bombers, nor the the pizzeria and wedding boimbers were under my evil anti-islamic mind-control.

I am not enabling and justifying these murderers, so do no call me a fanatic for merely noticing and saying what is happning for all to see.

You are implicated by your own co-religionists, not by me, and you need to face it, as do millions of your fellow Muslims. Shouting islamophobia or getting sooky is not going to cut it any more.

locutius wrote on Sep 11^th, 2008 at 3:03pm:


Ah yes, I do usually proof read my posts a little better. That first sentence should read " is NOT a unique incident in Iraq" My apologies. Such a claim, that it is a one-off would be ridiculous.

mozza & easel, yep agree with those sentiments. Buying "Get out of jail" cards in advance was also very popular, as was signing over all your property to the church on your death bed. Maybe it still is. The mafia example I have used when Italian catholic relatives of mine have noticed what good family men make up the mafia. The fact that they prey and inflict misery on other families seemed to be forgotten because they attend church. Just goes to show you can convince yourself of anything.