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Rape, murder charges upheld against former GI
Sep 6th, 2008 at 9:57pm
 
Soldier accused of assaulting Iraqi teenager and killing her and her family


updated 6:49 p.m. ET Aug. 26, 2008

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - A federal judge in Kentucky has upheld civilian charges against a former 101st Airborne Division soldier accused in the sexual assault of an Iraqi teenager and the slayings of her and her family.

Steven Dale Green's attorneys challenged a law that allowed him to be indicted on civilian charges for alleged crimes that happened in a war zone while he was serving in the Army. He was discharged before the military could bring its own charges.

But U.S. District Judge Thomas Russell, in a series of rulings released Tuesday, upheld the constitutionality of the law and found that Green received due process as his case moved through the judicial system.

Green has pleaded not guilty and is scheduled to face trial in April 2009. The 22-year-old from Midland, Texas, faces a possible death sentence if convicted on 16 charges that include premeditated murder and aggravated sexual assault. His lawyers have said they plan to use an insanity defense at trial.

Green's public defender, Patrick Bouldon, said the civilian justice system shouldn't handle cases involving the unfamiliar and extreme setting of a war zone.

"Certainly cases involving soldiers in the midst of a violent war are ones that belong within the military system," he said.

Sandy Focken, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Louisville, said prosecutors would review the rulings.

Others involved admitted to rape, murders
Four other soldiers pleaded guilty or were convicted for their role in targeting the 14-year-old girl from a checkpoint near Mahmoudiya, a village 20 miles south of Baghdad, and helping rape and kill her in 2006.

Two of the soldiers testified they took turns raping the girl while Green shot and killed her mother, father and younger sister. They also testified that Green raped the girl and shot her.

Green's lawyers challenged the constitutionality of the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act, a law written in 2000 and amended in 2004 primarily to allow the prosecution of civilian contractors who commit crimes while working for the U.S. overseas.

The attorneys argued their client could face death, a much harsher punishment than his alleged coconspirators received in military court. One soldier charged as an accessory was sentenced to five years, while sentences for three others ranged from 90 to 110 years.

Green had been honorably discharged from the military with psychiatric problems when allegations surfaced of U.S. military involvement in the slayings. He was arrested as a civilian.

The defense claimed discharging Green before he was criminally charged in the military system violated his due process rights. They cite testimony that Green reported his involvement to his commanding sergeant twice and was instructed to leave the military.

Russell ruled that the military did nothing wrong in discharging Green.

"This Court finds that Defendant's discharge was reasonably related to the Government's interest in ensuring that its soldiers are fit to serve," Russell wrote.

Russell also turned down multiple challenges to the federal death penalty act and the notice of intent to seek the death penalty in Green's case.

In a similar case, former Marine Jose Luis Nazario Jr. is on trial in California, charged with killing unarmed detainees in Iraq. The judge in his case also turned away a constitutional challenge to the law.

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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:00pm
 
Now I know that when an American soldier in service of the US government does something wrong it's not reflective upon the US or the Allies or the Western Democratic Free World at all, unlike any Muslim who happens to do anything at all wrong is reflective upon the entire 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. I'm fully aware the two situations would be worlds apart. As one is the civilised people of the free world whilst the other are the barbaric haters of freedom.
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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:59pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:00pm:
Now I know that when an American soldier in service of the US government does something wrong it's not reflective upon the US or the Allies or the Western Democratic Free World at all, unlike any Muslim who happens to do anything at all wrong is reflective upon the entire 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. I'm fully aware the two situations would be worlds apart. As one is the civilised people of the free world whilst the other are the barbaric haters of freedom.


This is disgusting, but it is not incited by ideology or a modus operandi.

Where's the extremism?
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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 12:12am
 
I agree, not extremists at all.
Just normal everyday US soldiers.
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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 1:10am
 
Here's a little something to add a little spice into it all...

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JUNEAU, Alaska — Borrowing the language of wartime President George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-president nominee, believes the US-led invasion of Iraq was a "task from God."

"Our national leaders are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God," Palin, Republican White House nominee John McCain, told ministry students at her former church, according to a newly revealed video.

A video of the speech, delivered in June, was posted on the website of the Wasilla Assembly of God, the evangelical church Palin has belonged to since he was a teenager, before being disseminated across the Internet.

In her address, the Alaska Governor urged the religious students to pray for the troops in Iraq.

"That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Palin words echo the rhetoric of President Bush, who ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 on claims of stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and links to Al-Qaeda, both claimed later proved ungrounded.

Bush has repeatedly portrayed his so-called war on terror, which included the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, as a battle between good and evil.

He upset many Muslims after the 9/11 attacks by referring to his war as a "crusade," a term which for many Muslims connotes a Christian battle against Islam.

The Wasilla Assembly of God and its parent denomination - the three-million member General Council of the Assemblies of God - espouse core beliefs not widely ascribed to by major Christian factions.

The denomination's website says some scholars believe that the "end times" foreshadowing the end of the world was confirmed in 1948, with the founding of Israel, marking the Jews' return to the Holy Land, fulfilling a Biblical prophecy.

The video of the speech gives a sense of how Palin's religion-colored approach to governance.

"What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys," Palin said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded.

"But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

Palin asked the ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion gas pipeline in her Alaska state.

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that."

A first-term governor, Palin is a pioneering figure in Alaska as the first woman and the youngest person to hold the state's top political post.

The 44-year-old mother of five, who comes from a devout Christian family, is graded as a right-wing Republican and a strong social conservative.

She is a family values champion, an upholder of gun rights and a supporter of the capital punishment.

Palin is also an ardent pro-life campaigner who gave birth in April to her fifth child, a boy, who has Downs Syndrome.

He Christian credentials and antiabortion views have been lauded by social conservatives.

She is already making history by becoming the first female on the Republican presidential ticket and the second woman on a major party's ticket.

If the Republicans win the November White House election, Palin will be the first ever woman vice president in American history.
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Reply #5 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 1:25am
 
Perhaps Trooper Green had been reading some passages from the Bible like these before the US government sent him off to do "God's task".

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Judges 21:20 So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, "Go and hide in the vineyards 21 and watch. When the girls of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, then rush from the vineyards and each of you seize a wife from the girls of Shiloh and go to the land of Benjamin. 22 When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, 'Do us a kindness by helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war, and you are innocent, since you did not give your daughters to them.' " 23 So that is what the Benjamites did. While the girls were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.


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Numbers 31:7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. 13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.


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Deuteronomy 20:10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.


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Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [a] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


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So Trooper Green is a member of an army, whose commanders describe them as doing God's Task, and we can see clearly verses from the Bible condoning and even commanding such activities, yet you think it's not extremism?

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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 8:18am
 
Would you if he was a Muslim quoting koran verses?
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Reply #7 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 9:03am
 
A Muslim  is not permitted ot rape and kill a person, no. And then kill all her family to cover it up...

This kind of thing is despicable to us, and I'm really disgusted you asked that question rather than just condemn this unhuman and barbaric act of your civilisation.

My point is to show that your Western civilisation is not as innocent and benign as you claim. It does similar things to what you accuse Islam of, and as we can see in this case, much worse.
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Reply #8 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 9:41am
 
Men are inherently evil and easy to take advantage of.

The fact they live in constant fear makes them easy prey to be manipulated and abused by the powers that be, and this can easily be done using organised religion is no big secret.

A Christian is neither permitted to kill and rape.

The Bible clearly states Thou Shalt not Kill, perhaps a pope changed it to murder, but the original tells you not to kill.
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The Bible clearly states Thou Shalt not Kill, perhaps a pope changed it to murder, but the original tells you not to kill.


According to the original Hebrew it says murder/slay/assasinate. So that pope probably just re-adjusted the translation to match the original language in which it's written. The original language is the authoritative text, not the translation/interpretation.

Kill wouldn't make sense, because in so many other cases in the Bible killing is prescribed. There are two Hebrew words most commonly used, one is used to specify killing that's considered lawful (naka) and the other unlawful (ra-tsakh).

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I see, so when Westerners commit these kinds of acts, they are taken advantage of, when Muslims commit them, they're the most abominable evil creatures to exist... right?
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Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 10:26am
 
Abu, you are doing what you accuse others of doing. Read my signature. You claim "the west" is biased against Islam, you are without doubt, biased against "the west".
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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 10:53am
 
True, but apparently when I'm biased against the West, it's wrong, when you're biased against Islam, it's all fine and dandy. And my bias is probably more of a 'correction' in response to the extreme bias I witness against Islam. Yours on the other hand seems to be quite genuine bias based on your hatred for Islam.
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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 11:10am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 8th, 2008 at 9:03am:
A Muslim  is not permitted ot rape and kill a person, no. And then kill all her family to cover it up...

This kind of thing is despicable to us, and I'm really disgusted you asked that question rather than just condemn this unhuman and barbaric act of your civilisation.

My point is to show that your Western civilisation is not as innocent and benign as you claim. It does similar things to what you accuse Islam of, and as we can see in this case, much worse.


This kind of thing is despicable to most people Abu, but how do you know the soldier isn't a Muslim or Buddist or Atheist? I'm not sticking up for the christians they have as many problems as your mob ,but do you know this guys religion?
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This kind of thing is despicable to most people Abu, but how do you know the soldier isn't a Muslim or Buddist or Atheist? I'm not sticking up for the christians they have as many problems as your mob ,but do you know this guys religion?


Just like Christians, Atheists and others fight for Hezbollah, yet nobody ever makes mention of that fact. We only hear "Muslims this, Muslims that".

What's important is the belief/ideology held by the government/command that's controlling them, not so much their own individual beliefs.
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Reply #14 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 11:44am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 8th, 2008 at 10:53am:
True, but apparently when I'm biased against the West, it's wrong, when you're biased against Islam, it's all fine and dandy. And my bias is probably more of a 'correction' in response to the extreme bias I witness against Islam. Yours on the other hand seems to be quite genuine bias based on your hatred for Islam.


Well, when I'm biased against Islam, in your view, I'm wrong, but when you're biased against the west it's all fine and dandy, in your view. Perhaps my bias is a response to your extreme bias that I witness against the west. Because, your hatred for all things western seems quite genuine.

Point is, we are each others enemy, plain and simple. We will never get along. You will fight for what you believe, as I will do the same. It will always clash.
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