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Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:25pm
 
I know a little of bible prophecy regarding the "End Days', but not so much about Islam's view.
I have read that muslims are supposed to kill jews and christians on end days, but that could be bull for all I know, but as the koran does share a belief in the bible as a prophetic text, could you expand on what you know of Islam's take on this prophecy.

I have read that over 20% of americans believe we are in the End Days now, a frightening number isn't it?
Do many muslims think along similiar lines that you know of?

I find the topic interesting because it may be a determining factor in how they behave, I certainly believe it is for the extremist christians.

So if you could give us your take on it I would appreciate that.
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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2008 at 7:48pm
 
Well Abu, as you didn't respond, I just looked it up on wiki, and it seems pretty similiar to the christian version, nothing in there about having to murder jews, so as I thought, that part probably is bull, or maybe the PC brigade thought it respectful to leave it out.

If you could clarify that point, I'd appreciate it.

I did find one bit in there that I really liked, Jesus comes back, and tells the christians that they were wrong, he never said he was god, lol.

There is a cool movie called, "The Man From Earth", where this guy has some weird metabolism and doesn't age, he has been around since cave man days, he studied with the buddha, but when he went to the middle east they could not understand the basic principles of love he tried to teach them, and mixed up his teachings and ended up with christianity. He never said he was god, they just could not understand what he was saying.

If jesus existed, that would seem the most likely realistic scenario.
Not the never dying caveman bit, the misunderstanding bit.

So from what I read it seems that Islams end of days may be less weird than christianities.

I raise the point because the number of US people that believe this stuff could motivate them to support war against Islam etc., because they expect it is what is supposed to happen in their prophecies.
Still I would be interested to hear what you make of it.
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Reply #2 - Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:32pm
 
I remember hearing that the next time Jesus comes he comes as an Archangel, but that might just be the Jehovah's Witnesses who told me that and the Mormons and the Adventists.

And then I heard that this Archangel won't accept worship. So it is hardly God.
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Reply #3 - Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:49pm
 
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I have read that muslims are supposed to kill jews and christians on end days


There are texts that do state that there will be big battles between Muslims and the People of the book (ie. Jews and Christians), I don't know, I don't really read too much about what's going to happen, more worried about what *IS* happening.

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but as the koran does share a belief in the bible as a prophetic text


No it does not. We believe the People of the book, were originally given true scriptures, but that they modified and corrupted them. We don't hold there to be any truth in their current scriptures.

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Do many muslims think along similiar lines that you know of?


Some Muslims do unfortunately waste their time debating whether we are in end times.

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I find the topic interesting because it may be a determining factor in how they behave, I certainly believe it is for the extremist christians.


Unlike Christians, most Muslims who believe we're in the end times just tend to become apathetic, they don't become doomsday cultists. so you can rest easy on that one. This is probably because Islamic scholarship is a lot more transparent and open to scrutiny (yes I know you'll find this hard to believe), and is very much maintained by strict orthodoxy. Therefore it's quite difficult for a Joseph Smith or an Ellen White to come along just all of a sudden create a whole new strand of the religion, or for a David Koresh type figure to emerge.
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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:32am
 
Mozz perhaps you should talk to president Ahmadinejad..  he believes in the end times and the coming of the MAHDI...  in fact he's trying to create those conditions foretold to bring about his return.

Check out - Mahdaviat

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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 5:48pm
 
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Mozz perhaps you should talk to president Ahmadinejad..


Ahmadinejad has nothing on Bush when it comes to ushering in the end times. Come on, Bush has constantly talked up hostilities between Iran and the rest of the world, whilst Ahmadinejad has been quite reserved. Iran is quite willing to align itself with the US and always has been, they've shown this eagerness on so many occasions they actually look quite pathetic, but the US has a lot more use for Iran as a so called adversary.
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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 6:06pm
 
You are kidding... 

As for Bush...  I gather you ignore his standing in the Western world and within his own country.


I gather your distraction is to avoid ADDRESSING THE REAL ISSUE.
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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 7:32pm
 
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I gather your distraction is to avoid ADDRESSING THE REAL ISSUE.


Anyone who's done a little independant political analysis would know Iran is a US ally wannabe, and that Ahmadinejad is certainly not the one talking up hostilities. So therefore your claim he's trying to bring on some apocalypse is just nonsense, and indicates you've done very little, if any, independant political analysis of the situation.

Besides it's quite laughable that you mention distraction, considering the whole Ahmadinejad issue was your introduction to this discussion.
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2008 at 8:22pm
 
What's laughable is your view of the world...  politics included.

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