Australian Politics Forum - honour killings

bliss Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95 Canberra Gender:	honour killings Aug 19^th, 2008 at 10:04am As a human being and woman I find this so sad, concerning and unacceptable. http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=acd8bf5b-6a52-4b67-9001-56c7cd5803b6
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: honour killings Reply #1 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 10:14am "...honour killings and female circumcision, to name just two -- are illegal and new immigrants are expected to adopt western standards in that regard." Sense may be prevailing in Canada, good on them.
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Reply #2 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 10:32am

Unfortunately, Islam seems to be the last bastion of this unacceptable behaviour.
While the rest of the world has grown, and come to respect women legally, as well as personally, Islam still promotes the concept of women as property.

There is no such thing as rape in marriage, if you are muslim, if she is your wife you can do with her as you like.
That murder is more honourable, than letting your daughter experience love, is just one more aspect of fundamental teaching that muslims need to change.

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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!

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Re: honour killings
Reply #3 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 1:46pm

Honour killings and any other form of vigilantism is strictly forbidden in Islam, and anyone committing them should be brought to justice and is considered nothing but a murderer by Islam.

Here's a few links and stories for you to balance your view out a little, Christians and other religions also commit these atrocious killings of [dis]honour.

Palestinian Christian murdered by her father for wanting to marry a Muslim man.
Yezidi girl stoned to death, likewise, because she wanted to marry a Muslim man.
Pakistani Christian kills an American and Pakistani for 'honour'
Hindu man sliced to pieces for wanting to marry girl from another caste.
Muslim man murdered by Hindu relatives of his wife.
Hindu man burns his daughter, grandson and son-in-law alive because they were not of the same caste.
Sikh lady murdered for marrying a poorer man without her parents permission.
Sikh lady (70 yo.) murders her daughter-in-law for having an affair.

And actually the Bible has passages which refer to the concept of 'killing for honour', the Qur'an certainly does not.

Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: honour killings Reply #4 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 1:53pm Stoned to death again?
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: honour killings Reply #5 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 1:59pm Or adultery for a married woman?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: honour killings Reply #6 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:10pm Jordan I edited my post and removed my question, as I already had the answer in my wiki. The answer to your question is there also.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: honour killings Reply #7 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:10pm Oh. Ok.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: honour killings Reply #8 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:12pm Added a comma and exchanged again for likewise, hope that clears it up.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: honour killings Reply #9 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:17pm Abu your signature scrolls just a little too fast to keep up with.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: honour killings Reply #10 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:26pm Man, I blocked that image, it was way too annoying...
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: honour killings Reply #11 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:27pm Well it's 12 secs. per frame, which is what it took me to comfortably read it. Just click on it, and read the entire speech
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: honour killings Reply #12 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 2:40pm I only just realised it was an active link. Sorry, but I don't allow external links in signatures. That is, the inmage itself is fine, but not the active link.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: honour killings Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 3:02pm The link is to the HP website. But if them's the rules, them's the rules. And I shall remove it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: honour killings Reply #14 - Aug 19^th, 2008 at 3:14pm Thanks. I'd rather not start making exceptions based on whether I approve of the site.
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