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Do you have any original references to this 'top observatory'? Odd that they didn't mention it by name.

Welcome, Imperial.

imperial wrote on Aug 16^th, 2008 at 9:53am:


Again, the 'some scientists disagree" argument which ignores that the OVERWHELMING majority of credible scientists that do agree with the science. And, credible to whom? And how so? Are they credible because they agree with the AGW movement? It's like saying that Al-Jazeera is not credible Muslim media source because it is funded by Qatar (which is allied to the US). Find a link and twist it whichever way to advantage your argument.

The global temperature is cooling and the the heating/cooling cycle argument.... yes, the earth goes through a natural cycle of heating and cooling. No one disputes that. However, the rate of temperature decrease do not equal the rate of temperature increase, thereby the lineal global average temperature is actually increasing.

A good illustrative link





The average global temperature has risen in the past 150 years. The period from 1961 to 1990 is the comparison point for this graph. This is represented by the horizontal line at 0. The anomaly, or variation from this average, is shown for each year.
The average global temperature for a given year is indicated by a blue or red dot. For example, the year 1900 was 0.2 C degree (0.36 F degree) cooler than the 1961–1990 average. The warmest year in this record was 1998, nearly 0.6 C degree (1.1 F degrees) warmer than the 1961–1990 average.
The heavy blue and red line traces the average global temperature for five year periods. For example, the average temperature for 1998—2002, which is centered on 2000, was 0.4 C degree (0.7 F degrees) above the 1961–1990 average. The period from 1958 to 1962, centered on 1960, was right on that average.

Observatory predicts two degree drop in temperatures over next two decades as solar activity dwindles
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, August 14, 2008

A top observatory that has been measuring sun cycles for over 200 years predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next two decades as solar activity grinds to a halt and the planet drastically cools down, potentially heralding the onset of a new ice age.

While the mass media, Al Gore and politicized bodies like the IPCC scaremonger about the perils of global warming and demand the poor and middle class pay CO2 taxes, both hard scientific data and circumstantial evidence points to a clear cooling trend.

Following the end of the Sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now plummeting.

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China recently experienced its coldest winter in 100 years while northeast America was hit by record snow levels and Britain suffered its coldest April in decades as late-blooming daffodils were pounded with hail and snow on an almost daily basis. The British summer has also left many yearning for global warming, with temperatures in June and July rarely struggling to get over 16 degrees and on one occasion even dropping as low as 9 degrees in the middle of the afternoon.

“Summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has dominated much of the 21st Century’s opening decade,” reports the Chicago Tribune. “There have been only 162 days 90 degrees or warmer at Midway Airport over the period from 2000 to 2008. That’s by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of any decade on record here since 1930.”

The reason? Sunspot activity has dwindled. There have only been a handful of days in the past two months where any sunspot activity has been observed and over 400 spotless days have been recorded in the current solar cycle.

“The sun’s surface has been fairly blank for the last couple of years, and that has some worried that it may be entering another Maunder minimum, the sun’s 50-year abstinence from sunspots, which some scientists have linked to the Little Ice Age of the 17th century,” reports one science blog.

Long-time man-made global warming advocates NASA assure us that significant sunspot activity will return in 2012, but a recent a paper on recent solar trends by William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson, predicts that sunspots will all but vanish after 2015.

Since the sun, and not carbon dioxide, is the principle driver of climate change, a dearth of sunspot activity would herald a repeat of the Maunder Minimum, the name given to the period roughly from 1645 to 1715, when sunspots became exceedingly rare and contributed to the onset of the Little Ice Age during which Europe and North America were hit by bitterly cold winters and the Thames river in London completely froze.


The spotless sun: Eerily quiet solar activity has many scientists concerned that a new ice age could be on the horizon.

Forecasts of a sharp cooling trend are backed by the UK’s Armagh Observatory, which has been observing solar activity for over 200 years.

The observatory notes that solar cycles 21 and 22, which were characterized by being short and intense in their activity, led to the natural global warming observed in the 80’s and 90’s.

“Cycle 23, which hasn’t finished yet, looks like it will be long (at least 12 to 13 years) and cycle 24, which has still to start, looks like it will be exceptionally weak,” writes one observatory scientist.

“Based on the past Armagh measurements, this suggests that over the next two decades, global temperatures may fall by about 2 degrees C — that is, to a level lower than any we have seen in the last 100 years….“Temperatures have already fallen by about 0.5 degrees C over the past 12 months and, if this is only the start of it, it would be a serious concern,” concludes David Watt.

Such predictions are of course of little interest to a global PR machine that butters its bread on attributing every weather event, be it droughts, floods, volcanoes or earthquakes, to man-made global warming.

No matter that the last ten years have showed no global warming and the next 10 years are predicted to show no global warming, the fact that temperatures are clearly dropping in correlation to the lack of sunspot activity means nothing to people who are already committed to a quasi-religious belief system and governments that have resolved to squeeze the middle class citing fraudulent claims of eco-apocalypse as an excuse, while the real environmental crises - deforestation, GM madness, cell phone tower radiation, genetic splicing and chemtrails go almost completely ignored.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/dearth-of-sunspot-activity-to-herald-new-ice-age.html

notice now GW now has become 'climate change'...with a tax no less..

www.iceagenow.com  (worth a look)

imperial wrote on Aug 17^th, 2008 at 8:37am:


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Arctic and the Antarcticis are two very different scenarios. The Antarctic is a land mass covered in ice while the Arctic has no land mass and comprises of ice mass floating on water and therefore subjected to aberrant global water temp.

imperial wrote on Aug 17^th, 2008 at 5:41pm:


Clmate change is the term generally used by AGW. Their argument is "yeah, climate conditions change so what!" It is used to distract away from the real issue at hand which the overall warming of global temps causing changes in conditions (climate change). They are explaining away the symptons without actually addressing the cause.

Generally, those who are against or skeptical of the science of global warming (for whatever reason) are the ones using the term "climate change". The real issue stil remains global warming.

freediver wrote on Aug 17^th, 2008 at 5:47pm:


Actually, it has more to do with the thickness of the ice sheet. The ice sheet together with a blanket of snow acts as an insulator for the warmer water below with the colder air above.