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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #45 - Aug 12^th, 2008 at 5:25pm I'm getting the feeling after reading all these Islam threads, that it's just about making one excuse after another for Muslims who do anything bad, and blaming everything bad on the west. There is no accountability for Muslims. Ever. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.
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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #46 - Aug 13^th, 2008 at 12:49am abu_rashid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2008 at 9:22pm: mozza, you claim you're attempting to incite Muslims to reform, yet you bring nothing but absolute nonsense which any Muslim could clearly refute, simply from knowing a few basic chapters of the Qur'an. Reform to what?
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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #47 - Aug 13^th, 2008 at 12:50am freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2008 at 9:26pm: I didn't know you could get white raisins. What are they like? They must be sun bleached or something.
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Reply #48 - Aug 13^th, 2008 at 12:55am

jordan484 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2008 at 5:25pm:

I'm getting the feeling after reading all these Islam threads, that it's just about making one excuse after another for Muslims who do anything bad, and blaming everything bad on the west. There is no accountability for Muslims. Ever. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

It's a good read though. My German and Swiss friends particularly love the arguments.

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Reply #49 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:02pm

It's interesting that when someone leaves a religious or political group, club, cult, relationship or any team (I know personally because I left a religious cult) and speaks out about them, there are people who resort to character assassinating the one who's exposing certain issues, some of which were secret, rather than address the reasons and faults that are being exposed.
Cheers, B.

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bliss Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95 Canberra Gender:	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #50 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:10pm I found the book 'Infidel' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali thought provoking and inspiring.
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Reply #51 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:19pm

bliss wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:02pm:

It's interesting that when someone leaves a religious or political group, club, cult, relationship or any team (I know personally because I left a religious cult) and speaks out about them, there are people who resort to character assassinating the one who's exposing certain issues, some of which were secret, rather than address the reasons and faults that are being exposed.
Cheers, B.

interesting also that those that leave rarely do so without having a grudge to bare, or slander and deformation.

islam is not a cult. it is a moderate religion that is portrayed by mainstream media as evil and suggests freedom fighters are terrorists....(that ought to get a debate going..hehe)

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52822 At my desk.	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #52 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:21pm it is a moderate religion that is portrayed by mainstream media as evil Could you give some examples?
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imperial Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 268	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #53 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:25pm yes i could...
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Reply #54 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:42pm

'interesting also that those that leave rarely do so without having a grudge to bare, or slander and deformation.'

Speaking for myself, yes.....I left with a grudge (for poorer choice of word).......righteous indignation is more to the point. When my child was sexually abused by a church member and I was ordered to keep quiet for HIS protection.......then I was expelled from the church for warning other parents..........after the police were told by the elders that HE was being watched.........well, I'm out of there. And if you mean defamation, yes, I was.......by being expelled for gross sin! ie: protecting other kids.mmmmm go figure. Roll Eyes

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Reply #55 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:46pm

A more pertinent question is do you have the courage to present any arguments to back up your claims Imperial?

So far we have seen a progression of anti-US conspiarcy theory links, and very little else.
Perhaps you think your ideas are of no value.
Perhaps you have no original ideas.

Unless you ante up, and start putting some of your own opinions up for discussion, and see how well you can justify your belief in them, we will not know.

You seem to be happy to categorise westerners as co-conspirators in a neo-con plot to demonise Islam, yet cannot entertain the idea that Islamic fundamentalists, have hijacked Islamic culture, and set it on a collision course with the west.

You wrongly label criticism of Islamist fanaticism, as being anti-muslim, as if the extremist agenda and the Islamic faith are one and the same thing.
Many muslims, and non-muslims alike, would take issue with that interpretation.

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Reply #56 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:00pm

opinion, opinion, opinion........WHERES YOURS....im getting real sick of this...

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i first googled for an aussie political site, i was looking to mock the green, hairy legged, lesbian left, the leftist elite that does rupert and co's bidding, and give the gw liers a bit of stick.....

instead i find an aussie political forum run by a muslim (no offence) with the topics largely muslims defending themselves against slander and attacks....(aint that the way?)

ive been on a few muslim sites and debated yanks and jews in defence of muslims. the best defence is attack.....hehehehe one of the best people ive met online is jewish, and although i dont visit the same sites anymore, we still keep in contact....

my blue isnt with ordinary yanks, jews, poms, etc, etc. my gripe is the stranglehold media has on our lives, their lies, the nwo, the elite, and those that control our elected governments.

there is no question in my mind that democracy is the best way....however, i lament that its been hijacked by corporate industrial interests and powerful wealthy world elite. its not even a conspiracy really. its just fact. politicians dont hold real power....so neither do we.

these people have created a war on terror for their own goals. i mean, how can you conduct a war on a tactic...? iraq and afghan had nothing to do with 911. so why were they invaded? palestinians had their homeland stolen...so are they terrorists or freedom fighters?

ask yourself what have muslims done to deserve the wholesale slaughter that has occured in palestine, iraq, afghanistan and soon iran? NOTHING.....!!!! yet the media has demonised them so effectively, that i give you yourselves as evidence as to their effectiveness at brainwashing.....

i rarely write yarns as long as this as all it really gets is a flippant sentence in reply, and rarely do sheep like yourselves get all introspective........

dont know why i bother......oh..!! thats right.. i just love a debate.
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Warning to West on 'evil of Islam' Reply #57 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:03pm Oh good, now you're not just cut and pasting from other sites, you're cut and pasting your own posts. Why don't you just say what you think about this particular topic in this thread?
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Reply #58 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:08pm

Lol. Imp. Is that like an all emcompassing disclaimer or something - "I've said my general opinion right the very first post. If in doubt see first post." That shouldn't disqualify you from voicing your opinions on specifics.

I note that you've also said "i rarely write yarns as long as this as all it really gets is a flippant sentence in reply..." and yet, most of your posts are flippant replies and/or links without any comment.

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Reply #59 - Aug 18^th, 2008 at 1:24pm

bliss wrote on Aug 18^th, 2008 at 12:42pm:

Speaking for myself, yes.....I left with a grudge (for poorer choice of word).......righteous indignation is more to the point. When my child was sexually abused by a church member and I was ordered to keep quiet for HIS protection.......then I was expelled from the church for warning other parents..........after the police were told by the elders that HE was being watched.........well, I'm out of there. And if you mean defamation, yes, I was.......by being expelled for gross sin! ie: protecting other kids.mmmmm go figure. Roll Eyes

One cannot but leave without a "grudge". I guess it more a feeling of anger of having been decieved or manipulated by the institution. Then, I'd imagine the anger one must feel about themselves for having allowed themselves to be herded in that way.

What was the "sin" that you've commited in the eyes of the church?

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