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Reply #90 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 8:30pm

mozzaok wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 8:06pm:

To be fair, they did have the golden compass, to guide their way, and the magic pudding to help feed all the elves and pixies, and they actually rode in on unicorns, and showered the slaves with gold, and I think the genie from the lamp put on a magic show for the cheering crowds who were so relieved to be freed from all their earthly possessions.
I think I remember this one, it was in my ali baba book.
Usually only oral history gets such a thorough sanitisation, but we would never want any objective truth shoulder it's way into your religious fantasy land.

Seriously, if any religious person had to explain what they believe to a psychiatrist, they would be locked up, but call it religion, and crazy beliefs must be respected, it sure beats me why that should be so.

Ah much like the myth that athiests are somehow neutral and peaceful when in fact secular states have been responsible for most of the bloodshed in the previous 200 years.

Not so surprising when you really don't stand for something and have no solid laws, when your laws can change with your own lusts and wants..

How about the genocide of indigenous australians Mozza? That was done by an anglo australian secular government.. it was perfectly acceptable to murder any aboriginal man, woman or child without consequence from the law, they weren't considered human beings nor counted on the census until 1962 (1965 in QLD).

So that really shows how civilized Western Anglo Secularism is doesn't it mate? And that was less than 50 years ago! The Muslims took Jerusalem and gave the Christians, Jews and even slaves more rights more than 1400 years ago then the Australian government gave indigenous Australians less than 50 years ago!

How very civilized of you Western Secularists!

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Reply #91 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:29pm

Even though your time frame is wrong, the point is valid, the british society did treat aboriginals as second class citizens, many were murdered, and mistreated terribly.

The difference between our society is that we look back and condemn those actions as wrong, we change our ways, and change our laws, and evolve, and improve our society.
Islam does not admit to it's wrongs, it does not learn, it does not evolve, that is it's greatest failing.
That is if you do not count that it is a religion, and therefore totally based on fantasy.

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Reply #92 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 11:38pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 3:02pm:

Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 6:27pm:

I would love a Muslim perspective.

The Byzantine armies and Persian armies were fighting for the Middle East, when the Christian Byzantine army took over Palestine the Jews were oppressed, when the Persians came into Palestine the Christians were oppressed and eventually the Jews too. Then the Muslims took over Palestine and both Christians and Jews were given their rights under our rule. Not a single drop of blood was shed by the Muslims on their entry into Jerusalem (which was much more different than the conquests of the Christians and Persians in those lands who massacred whole groups of people)....

This I already know and is generally accepted.

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 3:02pm:

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....and it was the caliph Umar bin Khattab who himself proceeded into Jerusalem, leading his donkey with his slave on it's back so the slave didn't have to walk.

The Christians and Jews were actually pretty astonished that the Caliph was dressed in simple clothing, leading allowing his slave to ride his mount when he controlled so much land.

Christians and Jews were allowed to stay under the state and given protected status by the Muslims where they lived for many more years.

I've not heard of this particular story about the slave and the donkey. Can this be verified independently?

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Reply #94 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 7:47pm

tallowood wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 1:45pm:

I can’t see anything wrong with shooting a terrorist. Terrorists live by violence and by violence they fall.

According to your own logic, then all Israeli's between the age of 18-45 are legitimate targets because they are in an organization that kills many innocent people, in fact a greater percentage of civilians than the palestinians do.. how very civilized of you..

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh Reply #95 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 7:58pm Does their ROE allow them to engage unarmed civilians legally? No. Does the doctrine of the opposing groups in the middle east allow them to engage unarmed civilians? Yes. Not the same thing Malik.
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Reply #97 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 8:55pm

[quote author=tallowood link=1216826729/90#96 date=1217501131][quote author=Malik.Shakur link=1216826729/90#94 date=1217497628]..... how very civilized of you.. [/quote]

I agree, it is civilised of me and it was civilised of IDF as well :)
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Yes, according to your own logic it's also civilized for the Palestinians to kill any Israeli civilian between the ages of 18-45..

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Reply #98 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:02pm

[quote author=Malik.Shakur link=1216826729/90#97 date=1217501718][quote author=tallowood link=1216826729/90#96 date=1217501131][quote author=Malik.Shakur link=1216826729/90#94 date=1217497628]..... how very civilized of you.. [/quote]

I agree, it is civilised of me and it was civilised of IDF as well :)
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Yes, according to your own logic it's also civilized for the Palestinians to kill any Israeli civilian between the ages of 18-45..

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No let me to correct your misunderstanding, according to my logic it is civilised for Palestinians to kill themselves if they wish so, but they should do it in privacy of their own homes.

Also according to my logic if they try to kill Israelis they should be shot like mad dogs.

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Reply #99 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:04pm

mozzaok wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:29pm:

Even though your time frame is wrong, the point is valid, the british society did treat aboriginals as second class citizens, many were murdered, and mistreated terribly.

The difference between our society is that we look back and condemn those actions as wrong, we change our ways, and change our laws, and evolve, and improve our society.
Islam does not admit to it's wrongs, it does not learn, it does not evolve, that is it's greatest failing.
That is if you do not count that it is a religion, and therefore totally based on fantasy.

This happened after the Federation of Australia so it wasn't just the British that were responsible it's Australia too.. and I'm quite sure I'm not mistaken about the dates either.

Furthermore, perhaps you can tell me what Australia has done to make up for their crimes against the indigenous Australians?

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Reply #100 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:10pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:04pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:29pm:

Even though your time frame is wrong, the point is valid, the british society did treat aboriginals as second class citizens, many were murdered, and mistreated terribly.

The difference between our society is that we look back and condemn those actions as wrong, we change our ways, and change our laws, and evolve, and improve our society.
Islam does not admit to it's wrongs, it does not learn, it does not evolve, that is it's greatest failing.
That is if you do not count that it is a religion, and therefore totally based on fantasy.

This happened after the Federation of Australia so it wasn't just the British that were responsible it's Australia too.. and I'm quite sure I'm not mistaken about the dates either.

Furthermore, perhaps you can tell me what Australia has done to make up for their crimes against the indigenous Australians?

What that has to do with IDF shooting a terrorist?

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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #101 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:22pm

easel wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 7:58pm:

Does their ROE allow them to engage unarmed civilians legally?

No.

Does the doctrine of the opposing groups in the middle east allow them to engage unarmed civilians?

Yes

Not the same thing Malik.

Israeli ROE does allow and encourage Israeli soldiers to shoot and kill unarmed Palestinians including children. It's exactly the same.

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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #102 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:23pm

tallowood wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:10pm:

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:04pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:29pm:

Even though your time frame is wrong, the point is valid, the british society did treat aboriginals as second class citizens, many were murdered, and mistreated terribly.

The difference between our society is that we look back and condemn those actions as wrong, we change our ways, and change our laws, and evolve, and improve our society.
Islam does not admit to it's wrongs, it does not learn, it does not evolve, that is it's greatest failing.
That is if you do not count that it is a religion, and therefore totally based on fantasy.

This happened after the Federation of Australia so it wasn't just the British that were responsible it's Australia too.. and I'm quite sure I'm not mistaken about the dates either.

Furthermore, perhaps you can tell me what Australia has done to make up for their crimes against the indigenous Australians?

What that has to do with IDF shooting a terrorist?

Perhaps it'd be a good idea for you to go and read back from the beginning regarding this issue.

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Reply #103 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:29pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:22pm:

easel wrote on Jul 31^st, 2008 at 7:58pm:

Does their ROE allow them to engage unarmed civilians legally?

No.

Does the doctrine of the opposing groups in the middle east allow them to engage unarmed civilians?

Yes

Not the same thing Malik.

Israeli ROE does allow and encourage Israeli soldiers to shoot and kill unarmed Palestinians including children. It's exactly the same.

For someone who claims to know a lot about IDF tactics etc, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Reply #104 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 9:31pm

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The IDF's rules of engagement for a low-intensity conflict authorise soldiers to fight rocks and petrol bombs with tear gas and rubber-coated bullets.

But when troops come under gun-fire, they are authorised to fire back with live ammunition. Molotov cocktails, too, can come under this authorisation.

"We are very strict with our firing orders," IDF spokesman Elian Sztulman told BBC News Online. "We only shoot live ammunition when we are shot at."

Undisciplined soldiers does not equate to what you have just written.

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