Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 5:30pm:


I ask again because by your post (and I'll twist your logic back to you) if you care about the the manner in which Saleh was senselessly killed why aren't you showing the same concern for the potential victims the brigade will kill. You post with such fervour in defence of the girl and Saleh but only make a passing comments like "I don't approve of suicide bombing because its against Islam" despite the fact that this guy's associations being suicide bombers.

Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:58pm:

The Martyrs Brigade are made up of several groups actually, not all use suicide bombing as a tactic and there is no indication that Saleh would have either.

What if his intentions were to kill Israeli soldiers in the Palestinian territories? What then? Would you expect me to feel sorry for them? You can be damned sure that I'd never feel sorry for them because THEY are the ones who crossed into Palestinian land illegally and with weapons, they made the conscious decision to do so and occupy anothers land while oppressing them. They are responsible for their own actions and should be held accountable for them. I wouldn't care if I was given the choice between even a day in the army where I'd have to oppress another person or life in prison I'd rather go to prison, because oppressing or transgressing against another person if for even a second is completely wrong and can't be justified. They HAVE a choice, they can do the right thing and make a stand for justice as more and more Israeli's are doing every year by actually preferring to go to prison than serve in the Army. If someone holds their own freedom as more important than another human beings then it shows how bad they really are.

But you'll never know his true intentions because he was murdered uneccesarily when they could have arrested him and tried him in front of a court. That'll never happen which is a true shame because I AM against suicide bombings and targetting civilians.

If his intentions were to do a suicide bombing and kill innocent civilians then so be it, he'd face his Creator in the next life and I condemn that behaviour and will continue to do so until I die.

The fact is that I don't need to justify to you why I think suicide bombings are forbidden and wrong. You know for sure how wrong it is, however if I come across a Muslim that thinks such behaviour is appropriate then you will see that not only do I speak with such passion about it being wrong, but if I feel that it's possible that they'd consider doing such a thing and wont change I'd go straight to the authorities so they can be dealt with. I don't like ANYONE defaming my religion by claiming it is something righteous and holy to take an innocent person's life.

I can't see it, could you find a bigger map?

"the UN in fact is only a tool to maintain the imperialism of the victors of WW2."

It seems funny how in one thread you can dismiss the UN so totally, then justify violence in the area, because it has a resolution regarding the palestinian region that you agree with.

The Martyrs Brigade are made up of several groups actually, not all use suicide bombing as a tactic and there is no indication that Saleh would have either.

Except of course for the bomb he was wearing...

They HAVE a choice, they can do the right thing and make a stand for justice as more and more Israeli's are doing every year by actually preferring to go to prison than serve in the Army.

Perhaps that would happen a lot more if the palestinians stopped sending over suicide bombers.

If his intentions were to do a suicide bombing and kill innocent civilians then so be it, he'd face his Creator in the next life

We'd prefer if he didn't kill a heap of innocent civilians along the way, thank you very much.

Malik, MS Paint or something equivalent will shrink images for you.

Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 12:59pm:


So then according to your logic, no Israeli adult that is in the occupied territories set by 1967 borders is innocent, thus are legitimate targets due to their being in either the fulltime or reserve army which are both obligatory for them and occupying Palestinian lands.

I would say personally that ANY Israeli who is armed and in the Palestinian territories, regardless whether they are in uniform or not is committing an aggression or is a threat and thus is a legitimate target.

Like the following:





All of them are armed and in Palestinian territories illegally according to the 1967 borders. Thus are completely legitimate targets.

Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 12:59pm:

The Israeli percentages of killing innocent civilians is more than 70% of Palestinian casualties, which is greater than the Palestinian resistance groups civilian deaths.

If that is the case then it shows that anyone in the Israeli army is part of an immoral organization that commits murder against innocent civilians, making them legitimate targets.


Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 12:59pm:

But do you consider the Israeli army as being the same level with their higher percentage of Palestinian innocent civilians killed?

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 3:52pm:

Statistics were found at http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

Of the 4862 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces since 09/2000 to 04/2008, more than 3485 or 71.67% of those were not found to be engaging in hostilities against the Israeli's.


Calculation was working out the percentage (3485/4862)X100=71.67
Therefore 71.67% of Palestinian deaths were not engaged in hostilities against the Israeli's.

I did not take into account the amout of Palestinians that were targets of Israeli assasinations (even though they were not provided a trial and were killed extrajudicially), if I had dones so it would mean that the number of Palestinians dead would be 76.45% who were not engaged in hostilities against the Israeli's but to be conservative we wont add them.

However if we use that logic to judge Israeli's we'll find that all Israeli adults go to the army and after they finish their fulltime service they have to serve part time so all Israeli adults can be considered legitimate targets for assasination as the Israeli's targetted assassinations are simply just killing any member of a Palestinian resistance group, even if they weren't engaging in hostilities at the time they were executed, If I was to calculate the Israeli deaths the same way it would mean that only 123 of the 1057 Israeli's that died were minors and that means that according to the percentage calculation (123/1057)X100= 11.63, so only 11.63% of those killed were not legitimate according to the logic that allows targetted assasinations of Palestinians.

There's a big difference between them..