Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 1:59pm:


Were you in the Israeli military, or did you read about it on the internet?

Fact is, this guy is a member of a terrorist organisation. He clearly has intentions to kill civilians. Good thing they shot him IMO.

Malik, I anticipate you are going to go on about Israeli shootings of civilians next. That has nothing to do with the fact that this guy is better off dead.

And that picture of the kid tied to the vehicle. Good job Israeli's. That will teach the little bastards to throw rocks. I dare say in the 1980's in Australia, if you did that to a police car they would do far worse than tying you to the car if you were a kid.

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 5:13pm:


No crime other than that he is associated with and complicit with an organisation noted for their lethal activities.

I'm saying, if I am 23 years old (of which I'm older) and I was in a bikie gang who's involved in the drug trade you can hardly call me an innocent person who happened by when the place got raided.

This is totally different to a girl walking to school getting shot and killed - she was an innocent; he wasn't.

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:47am:


Seriously Malik....

And you trying to explain away the activities of the martyrs brigade does not take away the fact that they are still a terrorist organisation that conducts suicide bombings. It doesn't matter whether I was the drug cook, the standover man, the guy who does the accounts or the wide eye kid doing all the errands in the hope of getting into the forementioned bikie gang - an criminal gang is still a criminal gang.

The american mafia has for many years donated to charity. That does not take away the fact that they a criminal element who extorts, blackmail and murder people.

If you are worried about the innocent victims then why aren't you worried about the potential victims the brigade will kill? Instead of a member of a terrorist group? Is it because the victims are not Muslims and he is?

Where is your objectivity?

How often do the Palestinians use human shields?

Maybe that kid just pood himself and they didn't want him in the car.

easel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 5:09pm:


Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:06pm:


Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 5:30pm:


Okay then, according to your logic.. Him being apart of the Al-Aqsa martyrs brigade makes him a legitimate target. He deserved to die. I'll accept that.

But in that case, we'll also apply the same rule to the Israeli's. All Israeli adults enter into the Israeli army which targets civilians, going by the fact that out of the 4862 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces since 09/2000 to 04/2008, more than 3485 or 71.67% of those were civilians, not found to be engaging in hostilities against the Israeli's, a similar percentage has been found of the 1057 Israeli's killed by Palestinian's 723 or 68.4% of those killed were civilians.  

So if we actually apply your logic to that then it creates an offset that makes every single Israeli adult a legitimate target to be killed because they're in the army (whether it's the reserves or full time). If that is the case then we'll take a look again at the statistics of Israeli's killed and upon seeing that only 123 of the total were minors it means that the innocent Israeli's that were killed only amount to a total of 11.63% of those killed by the Palestinians in comparison to the 71.67% of Palestinians (The Palestinian civilians killed still amount to 71.67% because Palestinians aren't obligated to join a resistance group like Israeli's are obligated to join the army).

So, as we can see, according to your own logic the Palestinians kill less Israeli civilians than Israeli's kill Palestinian civilians. That simply shows that the real terrorists are the Israeli's and not the Palestinians because not only are the Israeli's occupying the Palestinian's land boundaries (as set by UN Security Council Resolution 242, which called for the Israeli army to go back to 1967 borders, which they still have not done) and not vice versa, but the Israeli's kill far more innocent civilians than the Palestinians do.  

So now you have no other option but to agree that if him being a part of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade made him a legitimate target for killing then every single Israeli adult is also a legitimate target.

If you refuse to admit that all Israeli adults are legitimate targets then you are hypocrites who believe that Israeli's have more rights to defend themselves than Palestinians do (even though the Israeli's are occupying the Palestinian territories set out by the UN Security Council in Resolution 242).

If you are not hypocrites then you must now retract saying that he deserved to die and admit that simply being part of a resistance organization doesn't make you a legitimate target to be killed but instead there must be more stringent guidelines including at least giving a fair trial and bringing sufficient evidence before convicting someone and then executing them rather than just extrajudicially killing them on the spot.

So which one is it?

Statistics were taken from an Israeli human rights group's casualty lists at http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

easel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 9:08pm:

You say that knowing that every Israeli adult is in the Israeli Army. So if you say that then you now must admit that it's only those engaged in hostile activities which in the Israeli's case is any Israeli being in the Palestinian borders as defined by UN Security Council Resolution 242 and in the Palestinian legitimate target do you consider a legitimate target to be any Palestinian who is launching rockets into or attacking anything or anyone within the Israeli borders defined by UN Security Council Resolution 242?

easel wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 9:37pm:


All Israeli Jewish and Druze men and all Jewish women are required to do national service when they turn 18. Men serve 3 years and women serve 2 years. Exceptions are made on religious, physical and psychological grounds. Your friend is Christian. Therefore, she is exempted from mandatory national service.