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Reply #105 - Jul 31st, 2008 at 9:56pm
 
Perhaps it'd be a good idea for you to go and read back from the beginning regarding this issue.

Malik I'd also like to know what the aborigine situation has to do with this. Perhaps you think two wrongs make a right? You could jsutify anything with that sort of nonsense.
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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #106 - Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 9:56pm:
Perhaps it'd be a good idea for you to go and read back from the beginning regarding this issue.

Malik I'd also like to know what the aborigine situation has to do with this. Perhaps you think two wrongs make a right? You could jsutify anything with that sort of nonsense.

I was responding to the hypocrisy in his holier than thou attitude, him acting as if the West had not been responsible for any crimes when the truth is that our own country has been responsible for the horrific treatment of indigenous Australians.

I didn't say that two wrongs make a right.

I just don't like the hypocrisy.
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Reply #107 - Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:05pm
 
So anyway Malik, you know nothing about Israeli military tactics, whereas you previously claimed you do, because you study International Relations?

I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

You are just a typical know-all know-nothing uni student with a political agenda.
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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #108 - Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:13pm
 
easel wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:05pm:
So anyway Malik, you know nothing about Israeli military tactics, whereas you previously claimed you do, because you study International Relations?

I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

You are just a typical know-all know-nothing uni student with a political agenda.


Actually I DO know about Israeli military tactics.. I don't believe you have proven that I don't.. You're just claiming I don't.

Israeli ROE do include shooting unarmed civilians.
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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #109 - Aug 1st, 2008 at 10:39am
 
him acting as if the West had not been responsible for any crimes

No-one is acting like that. Pointing out that our ancestors did horrible things is not some kind of excuse for people who continue to do so today. It's a red herring.
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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #110 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 2:19am
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 9:23pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 9:10pm:
What that has to do with IDF shooting a terrorist?

Perhaps it'd be a good idea for you to go and read back from the beginning regarding this issue.


I had and I did not see any connection between IDF shooting a terrorist and Australian aboriginal issue.
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Reply #111 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 2:24am
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:13pm:
easel wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:05pm:
So anyway Malik, you know nothing about Israeli military tactics, whereas you previously claimed you do, because you study International Relations?

I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

You are just a typical know-all know-nothing uni student with a political agenda.


Actually I DO know about Israeli military tactics.. I don't believe you have proven that I don't.. You're just claiming I don't.

Israeli ROE do include shooting unarmed civilians.


Please supply Israeli ROE documentation so we all can examine it and see if you telling the truth or not. Without such an evidence your statement about knowing isn't worth even a teaspoon of a yesteryear snow.

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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #112 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 11:41am
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 2nd, 2008 at 2:24am:
Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:13pm:
easel wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:05pm:
So anyway Malik, you know nothing about Israeli military tactics, whereas you previously claimed you do, because you study International Relations?

I don't think I can take anything you say seriously anymore.

You are just a typical know-all know-nothing uni student with a political agenda.


Actually I DO know about Israeli military tactics.. I don't believe you have proven that I don't.. You're just claiming I don't.

Israeli ROE do include shooting unarmed civilians.


Please supply Israeli ROE documentation so we all can examine it and see if you telling the truth or not. Without such an evidence your statement about knowing isn't worth even a teaspoon of a yesteryear snow.



Most Israeli ROE are verbally given and not written down so you're going to have a problem finding it.

Didn't you watch this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPsH9VaT140

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Reply #113 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 2:12pm
 
Malik, stop talking out of your arse.

ROE has to be written down somewhere. It is the law, otherwise commanders would be able to make their own rules up and have defacto private armies with private rules.

Back a page or so I posted a bit of Israeli ROE.
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Reply #114 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 5:51pm
 
I assume you are all talking about the ROE for arrest - hence the link to the video.

Actually, the full ROE for arrest (4 steps - command, warning shot, shoot to main, shoot to kill) are written down in IDF manuals and are implemented in general situations. The IDF ROE are classified - high command eyes only. It is carefully worded by legal advisors and has for "special rules" for different fronts. What the special rules are is open to interpretation by each officer on the field at the time. The shortened version of  the ROE is - "Halt!" [Wait 5 second then shoot to kill] which is usually implemented in border or hostile situations. Whether the IDF approve or tacitly support the shortened version is unknown (it is against the Geneva Convention Conduct of War) however, officers are known to have ordered it.
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Reply #115 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 5:59pm
 
Thanks for the clarification Acid Monkey.
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Reply #116 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 7:32pm
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Aug 2nd, 2008 at 11:41am:


I had a look and there is nowhere proof of your claim that “Israeli ROE does allow and encourage Israeli soldiers to shoot and kill unarmed Palestinians including children”. Therefore it appears that your statement is deliberately false or may be you are just misinformed by radical Islamic or/and anti Jewish and/or pro terrorists propaganda.


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Reply #117 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 10:35pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 2nd, 2008 at 7:32pm:
I had a look and there is nowhere proof of your claim that “Israeli ROE does allow and encourage Israeli soldiers to shoot and kill unarmed Palestinians including children”. Therefore it appears that your statement is deliberately false or may be you are just misinformed by radical Islamic or/and anti Jewish and/or pro terrorists propaganda.




Yeah...of course its false. Cause the IDF have never been known to target and kill children...have they.

http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/middle_east/palestine/lest_we_forget.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/30/israelandthepalestinians3

let me guess...pro-terrorist propaganda huh. These children never really existed....

Its just propaganda.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #118 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 11:10pm
 
Here's a few quotes from former IDF soldiers who've spoken out about the immoral and unjust activities they regularly engaged in during their service:

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"You start to aim your rifle at kids and see them through the scope of your rifle and take a picture. Then you aim at your friends and take a picture. The rifle is no longer a killing machine; the rifle becomes a part of your game, the way to pass time."


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During 2002 through 2003 there were more than 500 days of curfew in Hebron. And we would lift it every few days so people could get food for maybe two or three hours. But if someone were to leave after these hours to get food for his family, then he would be detained for five, six, or seven hours. You must educate them.


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"If you call on a Palestinian to show his ID and he smiles too much, then that could be two hours or it could be eight hours. It just depends on which side of the bed you woke up on that morning."
Over time, Shaul says that the Palestinians stop being people and simply become objects.


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"Believe it or not, the first houses we entered, before we left, we washed the floors," Shaul recalls. "This is what we called an enlightened occupation." Eventually, the units would get more and more comfortable in the houses, and over a period of time the soldiers would become bored and they would start to break things.


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Once, when Shaul's battalion was doing an operation in city of Ramallah, a World Cup match was underway. "We looked around and found a house, entered it, kicked the family out, watched the game, and when it was over we left and went back to our mission," he says.


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"So you pull the trigger you spray the area you pray that the less amount has been fired and then there is four or five seconds of tense quiet. You pray you haven't hit innocent people. But the next day you're less tense, the third day, and then after a week it becomes the most exciting moment of the day.


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YEHUDA SHAUL: It's not a game, it's a grenade machine gun. I did it every night for three… almost three months. Every night around 50 grenades inside a neighbourhood. That was my first experience in Hebron.


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AHARON BLEMKER: At night we put snipers in the roof, and one sniper killed a guy from about 300 metres, and I can tell you from experience at night from 300 metres, even with night vision, you can't see if a guy has a weapon or not. So here's someone walking down the street, and he shot him, and then he was very proud about how he saw the whole head explode.


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AHARON BLEMKER: After a while people start stealing things. In the beginning it's just souvenirs, it goes into stealing cigarettes and then to stealing money. We never stopped to think about it. We never talked about is it wrong or not, we just did it, and people started after a while beating people up just for fun. It's unnecessary things.


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AVICHAI CHARON: And you're throwing 6-year-olds, women, children, elderly people into the street, and then you're closing them in their own house, in jail. And even for a 60-year-old person that wants to pee right now, they have to ask permission. You stop thinking of it as people's homes, as people's lives, 'cause you can't deal with it anymore, you can't cope with 6-year-olds that look into your face with tears in their eyes. So you don't look at them.


This is truly despicable stuff, you support this kind of stuff tallowood?
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Reply #119 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 4:08pm
 
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Here's a few quotes from former IDF soldiers who've spoken out about the immoral and unjust activities they regularly engaged in during their service:


How about a source for that?
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