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Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Jul 24th, 2008 at 1:25am
 
This is the cold blooded execution of Mahmoud Saleh by Israeli Police:

The Israeli police claimed that Mahmoud Saleh was a suicide bomber who they had no choice but to shoot dead because he was going to blow himself up.

Let's see how reliable the Israeli's are.

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First, they arrest Mahmoud Saleh and his friend and handcuff them.
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Then they force Mahmoud Saleh and his friend to the ground with his hands still cuffed.
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Then according to witnesses more than half an hour later they let Mahmoud Saleh's friend go and start shooting in the air to stop people from watching them. What do they have planned next for Mahmoud Saleh? Arrest? A beating? No...
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They strip Mahmoud Saleh down to his underwear to make sure that he has no weapons or bombs and then hold him down. An Israeli police officer then draws his pistol and shoots Mahmoud Saleh in the head from about 1.5m away, executing him without a trial.
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As you can see, there was obviously no bomb and he was still handcuffed at the time of shooting..

He was fully subdued for more than half an hour before the Israeli's shot him, they searched him, cuffed him and still executed him..

Yet they claimed they had no choice as he was about to blow himself up..

THAT is how reliable the Israeli's are. THAT is how they treat the Palestinians as subhuman, THAT is how they execute people for fun with no need to.


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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 2:37am
 
Inconclusive. There is dispute over the timing or sequence of the photos. Also, you've posted only 5 photos whereas I've seen 7 including a robot dragging away or disarming a bomb belt and Saleh's friend being led away. There are supposed to 11 photos. Where are the other 4?

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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 9:40am
 
Acid Monkey wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 2:37am:
Inconclusive. There is dispute over the timing or sequence of the photos. Also, you've posted only 5 photos whereas I've seen 7 including a robot dragging away or disarming a bomb belt and Saleh's friend being led away. There are supposed to 11 photos. Where are the other 4?


Inconclusive my foot.

They didn't arrest his friend, even if they did that really isn't too relevant. If anything releasing him would have been a better thing to do.

Think about it this way, they had him subdued and held him down to the ground for more t han 30 minutes, he was stripped to his underwear BEFORE they shot him and when he was stripped down it was obvious he had no bomb belt. Where could he have hidden it? In his jocks?

It's obvious the Israeli's executed him when they didn't have to.
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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:11am
 
The source of the story is Panama News. They've quoted the Israeli version from The Los Angeles Times and the Palestinian version from France Press.

Israeli version of the incident:

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...at least three police officers struggled with Salah, held him face down and pulled off his shirt and pants. A bomb squad expert arrived and tried to defuse the explosive, but Salah rolled around trying to press the trigger button on his stomach against the cement, according to police.

Finally, the officers shot Salah in the head. Palestinian activists accused the officers of executing him in cold blood, saying he was under control when he was shot.

Israeli police, however, said the officers fired because they feared he would ignite the explosives. They argued that police hope to capture suspected bombers alive to assist their investigations.

A prosecutor's inquiry found no wrongdoing and the case was closed, according to Gil Kleiman, a national police spokesman."



Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment (LAW) of the incident:

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However, accounts by eyewitnesses contradict the version given by the Israeli police. According to France Press, 12 Palestinians witnessed the incident from their homes. They asserted that Mahmoud Salah was handcuffed when he was killed. An eyewitness reported to LAW as follows:

On Friday, 8 March 2002, at 4 p.m., I heard noises outside the building where I live, which is Project 3 of the Nusseibeh Buildings in Beit Hanina. I looked out of the window that overlooks the road in front of the building; the road is only about 8 meters away. I saw how a military jeep stopped the two men.

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Randy was taken at 4.15 p.m. in a military jeep to an unknown destination. Mahmoud was forced to lie flat on his face and had his hands cuffed behind his back. The special [police] unit tore down Mahmoud's clothes. He was wearing a light navy blue jacket and a yellow shirt and a dark yellow cotton pair of pants.

I didn't see any bags with Mahmoud as Israelis claim. I heard how he was questioned about his name and the place of residence. I understood that he was from Nablus and that his name was Mahmoud. There were three members of the special [police] unit surrounding the guy on the ground; they were dressed in dark gray. One of them placed his foot on the guy's head and another was holding his feet and a third was sitting on his knees pointing a gun at him from a distance of approximately 1.5 -2 meters.

At around 4.30 p.m., the third member shot the guy eight or nine times in the head. Then they left the place and left the guy bleeding. The guy was trying to move and to stand up. At around 5.15 p.m. he stopped moving.

At around 5.20 p.m. Israeli police brought a robot, which drew a black belt. The strange thing is that I did not see that belt when the police tore down the guy's clothes before he was killed.

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The victim's fingerprints were then taken and photos of the corps were taken. An Israeli ambulance took the victim away from the scene of the incident.


Nb. Palestinian version is edited a little to fit into one post. However, you can read the full version from the link.
Source: http://www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_08/issue_08/letters_01.html


You fail to disclose Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade confirming that Mahmoud Salah was a suicide bomber.

Here's why it is inconclusive. Can you definitely confirm that he wasn't trying to detonate the bomb while on the ground? You say that "obviously there was no bomb". Can you definitely confirm that? If not, then what was the robot doing?

If I, a neutral without bias (and with empathy for the Palestinians) cannot be convince either way which side is telling the truth then how can you expect people who already have hardened views to believe you. Your conclusion (like Sprint's) is preconcieved from your allegiances. You (like Sprint) only see and believe what you want to see and believe.

You strike me as an intelligent and well researched person (particularly when it come to the Qur'an). Therefore, I am surprised that you fail to disclose such obvioucs details such as that he was a confirmed suicide bomber (and not as innocent has you would have us believe) and missed an apparently damning photo such as the robot? If there are different versions of the incident then lets see the other 4 pictures. Who are you trying to convince?

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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:40am
 
Interesting that you left out the robot photo Malik, and the fact that a terrorist group admitted he was a suicide bomber. Did it not fit with your propaganda? How can you sensibly deal with potential suicide bombers? Jump on them? It seems to me that it is you who is regurgitating propaganda unquestioningly.

Have you found any evidence yet of Israelis shooting at school children for sport?
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Re: Cold Blooded Israeli Execution of Mahmoud Saleh
Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:47am
 
No, he wasn't confirmed to be a suicide bomber, he was confirmed to be a part of the Al-Aqsa's Martyrs brigade, they don't only do suicide bombing they also take part in other types of conflicts.

The AFP article states that: "According to Israeli security sources, Salah was wearing a large overcoat and policemen opened fire when he refused to take it off." Yet Saleh is depicted both alive and in his underwear in image number 3. No bomb can be found. It just shows that the Israeli report, like others are a pack of lies to justify their executions of Palestinians.

In none of the pictures could you actually see that bomb belt strapped to him, even when they bent him over it's obvious there was nothing on his back, when they stripped him down it was obvious there was nothing strapped to him.



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Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:48am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:40am:
Interesting that you left out the robot photo Malik, and the fact that a terrorist group admitted he was a suicide bomber. Did it not fit with your propaganda? How can you sensibly deal with potential suicide bombers? Jump on them? It seems to me that it is you who is regurgitating propaganda unquestioningly.

Have you found any evidence yet of Israelis shooting at school children for sport?

I've seen the robot photo before but could not find it today.

Either way it's obvious that there was actually nothing strapped to Mahmoud Saleh by the series of pictures before and after they stripped him down.
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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:51am
 
Why are all the published shots of him standing up obscured? Coincidence?

WTF is that black thing around his lower back?

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WTF is that black thing just on the other side of his lower torso?

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... which, BTW, is missing in the shot with the robot dragging away a black thing:

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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:52am
 
in that photo with the robot, is the guy still handcuffed, while his head was blown off?
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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:12am
 
Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:47am:
No, he wasn't confirmed to be a suicide bomber, he was confirmed to be a part of the Al-Aqsa's Martyrs brigade, they don't only do suicide bombing they also take part in other types of conflicts.


Nevertheless, they are an organisation with lethal tactics and therefore he was not as innocent as you would have us believe. I only have your word that he wasn’t confirmed as a suicide bomber. Can you provide proof?

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:47am:
The AFP article states that: "According to Israeli security sources, Salah was wearing a large overcoat and policemen opened fire when he refused to take it off." Yet Saleh is depicted both alive and in his underwear in image number 3. No bomb can be found. It just shows that the Israeli report, like others are a pack of lies to justify their executions of Palestinians.


This is still inconclusive. It’s just a case of “He says, he said” – “your word against mine” etc. That is why there is dispute over the sequence of the photos. Where are the other 4 missing ones?

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:47am:
In none of the pictures could you actually see that bomb belt strapped to him, even when they bent him over it's obvious there was nothing on his back, when they stripped him down it was obvious there was nothing strapped to him.


Well, I’m no experts on bomb belts but since we’re all speaking hypothetically here…. perhaps the bomb belt strap was cut from his back while he was lying face down. Therefore, the belt would still be on his chest – he would still be lying on it (obscured by his body; from the photo). According to the Israeli version he tried to roll around to detonate the bomb (still under him) causing them to shoot him.

Hypothetically speaking.


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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:21am
 
Yes he was still handcuffed while they did.

I've seen the robot pic, it's dragging something away, but there is no evidence that it's a bomb belt at all, it could be the big overcoat they said he was wearing and refusing to take off, in fact everything they've done contradicts standard operating procedures of the Israeli police and military if it was a bomb vest on. They would have cleared the area around him from people and not stood around in the pictures you can see watching so closely. Obviously one thing you don't know about the Israeli army is that if he actually had a bomb vest on, they'd have blown his head off straight away on seeing it, they don't mess around with stuff like that and you can be damned sure that they'd never have gotten that close to him.

The thing you're missing is that the Israeli's claimed he refused to take his big overcoat off and that's why they shot him in the head..

Was he wearing a big overcoat when he was shot?

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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:22am
 
Yes GSS, he does appear to still be handcuffed.

Malik, it appears from the sequence of photos that they did clear the area and shoot him when they realised he had a bomb vest on. You can't put together a time line from a few random photos, especially if they are provided by a source that deliberately leaves out the photos that don't fit their propaganda campaign.

If you are going to bomb innocent Israeli civilians, you have to expect the army to take a hard line.
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:25am
 
well, if his handcuffed, then it looks more like an execution.

if he wasn't handcuffed, then u could argue that the Israeli's thought he had a bomb that he was going to detonate......so they had to act quickly as it was a "life or death" situation.

but if his handcuffed, then that means he was already sub-dued, and didn't pose a threat.....if he was accussed of being a terrorist, then they should have arrested him. but to shot him while handcuffed, then the Israeli soliders are playing cop, judge and executioner.
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Reply #13 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:26am
 
GSS, would you be happy holding down a struggling suicide bomber with a live bomb strapped to their chest?
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Reply #14 - Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:27am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:26am:
GSS, would you be happy holding down a struggling suicide bomber with a live bomb strapped to their chest?


how's he going to detonate the bomb while handcuffed??
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