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Reply #15 - Jul 21^st, 2008 at 3:48pm

Actually there is another way. It involves burning oil and coal at a phenomenal rate so that the oceans gradually acidify.

It's probably the most imminent issue that faces us. Coccolithophorids are a key component of the biological pump mechanism that removes CO2 from the ocean. (They die and fall to the bottom). Together with pteropods and foraminifera they provide roughly 40% of that capacity to remove bicarbonate from the top layer of ocean.

If you stop removing that, several things start to happen:

1. Currently the oceans absorb about 50% of the anthropogenic CO2 that's produced. Without the above organisms, more of the excess CO2 will remain in the atmosphere.

2. Massive food chain implications. All marine organisms that rely on calcification (a process where organisms construct their exoskeletons from aragonite) will gradually decline and die out completely (One recent paper suggested that coccolithophorids will be gone by 2030. Another suggested a demise for shallow water ocean corals by about 2050). In terms of food chain, these organisms are associated with major fish stocks, whales etc...

3. Implications for reduced oxygen content of the upper ocean layer. Anoxic events have been around in geological time (eg Mid Cretaceous), but have usually been associated with mass extinction events of one type or another.

4. All this will cause an increase in hydrogen sulfide production with localised toxic effects. In conjunction with other effects of climate change, such as interruption of deep water circulation, this will result in increased emissions of hydrogen sulfide from the oceans. (Formation of localised Chemoclines)

So my strategy involves a combination of starvation, poisoning and death through heat exhaustion.

Not very humane, not very pretty, but it's simple to implement. Just same old same old.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41970 Gender:	Re: The population explosion: a challenging piece of Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2008 at 4:12pm very effective muso. I do object on the grounds the marine animals are not part of the problem. It is land animals (more specifically us humans) who are the cause.
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Reply #17 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 8:36am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2008 at 4:12pm:

very effective muso.

I do object on the grounds the marine animals are not part of the problem.
It is land animals (more specifically us humans) who are the cause.

Tell that to Kevin Rudd and other international leaders. Their current policies will ensure that all ocean life will become extinct by the end of the century.

The softly softly 'what about jobs in the coal industry' approach will be spectacularly unsuccessful. We're snoozing and procrastinating our way into Hades.

(Is that called hijacking a thread?)

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41970 Gender:	Re: The population explosion: a challenging piece of Reply #18 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 8:39am muso - sort of. Was pretty well done though
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Reply #19 - Aug 31^st, 2008 at 4:10pm

I can't believe what i'm reading,another bunch of indoctrinated slaves,you will do well when the Asian Union arises,what makes you think there is to many people?TV,radio the UN maybe,ha or is it the fact that there is people starving maybe? ha,or is it the fact that China has a 1 child policy? There obligarchy has certainly done a good job on you people.But before you all poison your children with your ingnorance,make sure you all do your OWN research this subject.Even though this won't work (because the west is actually dieing)but why is the gov paying people to have babies?huh.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53324 At my desk.	Re: The population explosion: a challenging piece of Reply #20 - Aug 31^st, 2008 at 4:33pm Do you know why the government is paying people to have babies?
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Reply #21 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 8:08am

liko wrote on Aug 31^st, 2008 at 4:10pm:

I can't believe what i'm reading,another bunch of indoctrinated slaves,you will do well when the Asian Union arises,what makes you think there is to many people?TV,radio the UN maybe,ha or is it the fact that there is people starving maybe? ha,or is it the fact that China has a 1 child policy? There obligarchy has certainly done a good job on you people.But before you all poison your children with your ingnorance,make sure you all do your OWN research this subject.Even though this won't work (because the west is actually dieing)but why is the gov paying people to have babies?huh.

Listen mate. I'm sufficiently qualified not to get my information from media sources. I tend to check the data from first principles and read the original papers.

If you ever get beyond Playstation 2 and Internet conspiracy sites, I suggest you then get some medical attention for the severe case of FITH syndrome complicated by cerebrorectal inversion.

(Am I allowed to say that? - It felt good)

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Reply #22 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 10:49am

There many reasons for the overpopulation woes. Nations and religions competing for power. Businesses wanting ever increasing markets therefore greater wealth for the guys at the top. Everytime there is a story about Australia needing more people 40-100 million it is supported by the likes of the Murdochs etc. Nations are the greatest limiter to global vision.

Over-population is something we can try to take care of ourselves or nature will do it for us, through our own antibiotic resistant plague or some interspecies plague, you know the sort of poo that nature comes up with when you feed vegitarian livestock offal etc.

A toxic environment is another that we have to watch out for. So while I personally think that global warning is real, I don't have a solid opinion as to the degree that it will strike. Pollution however is a major issue that will multiply as less well off but hugely populated nations are hypnotised by material greed of the highly developed nations. The amount of estrogines in the environment is already having impacts on animal populations, effecting reproduction. Hello, we are animals as well.

Consumption of resourses, waste of resoures (do you know how much waste is created in building one car) and competition of resourses. Well that just leads to straight out war.

I think the worlds population for the sake of healthy ecosystems, biodiversity, quality of life and still enough to drive the human race forward with equal opportunity and sharing of resourses, as well as being able to take advantage of economies of scale in manufacturing; should be at about 10% of what it is today. Some ecosystems are richer than others and able to support larger biomasses.

A good starting point for populations that a system can support is to look at what subsistance populations were supported. Another would be to read Tim Flannery's " THe Future Eaters"

No one needs to be killed, euthanised etc. The world has to have a One-Child-Per-Couple policy. So have your kid then snip snip. Tough but ultimately neccessary I think.

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