For Jordan:



You roast your pork in this life so you can go through the same in the next one 

Good Luck!

He calls us bigots and calls our religion vile and I am the judgmental one?

Right mate lol..

Since Jordan (by the sounds of it) is an atheist, I doubt they'd really care about hell or eternal damnation, so it's irrelevant.

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 29^th, 2008 at 10:40pm:

Well, you are a bigot, and your religion is vile......all religions are in their own way, yours just happens to be proving it at this point in time. You're blinded by what you've been brainwashed to believe is the truth, your "truth" has no meaning, you follow what may or may not have been written by someone who may or may not have been what they claim. You're a sheep with no capability for independent thought. baa.

Perspective is hard to maintain, calls for hellfire and damnation, over a food choice, is hard for a normal aussie to understand.
It seems deranged, and so totally disproportionate, that once more our differences are highlighted, and our shared humanity ignored.

Malik would blame this on western prejudice, I would blame it on Islamic arrogance.

The religious argument that they have it right, every one else will burn, we would consider just too infantile for any adult mind to entertain, but then we see evidence to the contrary..

That Malik, who considers himself moderate, in comparison to your average muslim, shows all the openness and understanding of a southern preacher, speaks volumes about just how hard it is at times, to recognise our common humanity, through the veil of religious prejudices, that obscures the view of too many.

mozzaok wrote on Jul 30^th, 2008 at 7:55am:


You see it's really not all that different actually... In fact you know that it's not that different and you know very well that we consider eating pig a sin.

Jordan showed us a picture of pork and said here you go to Abu_Rashid in an obvious attempt to insult him.

But you see, because we consider eating pig a sin, we associate committing sins with burning in the fires of hell.

Therefore I showed Jordan a picture of fire so that he could properly understand how much of a sin we consider eating pig and perhaps he could properly comprehend how insulting we consider his suggestion that we eat pig.

He wanted to impose himself on us, and want us to eat his filthy swine.. So I showed him the consequences.. Cause and effect really.. Had he not given such an insult to Abu_Rashid, he wouldn't have been shown the picture and told he'd burn in hell for eating it.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 29^th, 2008 at 8:44pm:


You've got to be kidding. I don't drink now, but when I did, I enjoyed one glass of wine with a meal.

I also enjoyed one beer very occasionally after gardening on a hot day. There is no way you'd get any intoxicating effect from that.

A lot of younger people I know don't drink alcohol because they don't like the taste.

It's getting to the stage where you're reacting to everything with your Muslim hat on, but then again a few people have been inflammatory. It's a pity because all we see is the reaction.

Let's start with a question and see if we can get to see the real Malik. What made you convert to Islam and what religion (if any) did you have before that? 

Apart from the fact that you're a Muslim, which everybody knows already, what else do you do in your spare time? Come on - now's your chance to prove that you're just a normal (20 something?) bloke, maybe even with a sense of humour.

I once met a Jordanian guy in the Emirates with a wicked sense of humour. Maybe I'd better not retell some of his jokes here, because it would give totally the wrong impression.

Well there is actually. Because mozza has insinuated that non-Muslims are welcome to campaign for changes to Australian society, yet Muslims for some reason don't deserve the same right. Since we're always outsiders and aliens, we'd just be considered bad guests who wanted everyone to accomodate us.

That is still nothing to do with race Abu.

What may or may not happen in the future is irrelevant.

I don't know about you, but I think the future is important.

A lot of Aussies leave Australia to go and live in England, USA, Canada etc. because they prefer the lifestyle there, are they unAustralian?

Yes. They are English, American, Canadian etc.

Also when some Australians give a much less than welcoming attitude to Muslims, do you expect them to want to stay and consider this their home? That's probably the intention though I guess, make them feel unwelcome so they wanna leave.

It's kind of a moot point if they want to leave anyway.

This whole thing about Aussie values is just nonsensical. Mateship is an Aussie value right? Like all the other people in the world just give eachother the cold shoulder, cos they're not Aussies who value mateship like us right?

Strawman.

Why would we speak against our fellow Muslims being freed from the 60 year long siege they've suffered? Would you speak out against it?

I was referring to taking up arms on behalf of another nation. Your response trivialises the issue, rather than actually responding to it. Your religion calls upon you to commit treason. Can you blame people for being suspicious?

Islam didn't 'take over', existing princes of city-states embraced Islam, and their city-states therefore became Muslim along with them.

That's not the impression Abu gave.