Australian Politics Forum - Catholicism a blight on our society

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52826 At my desk.	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #30 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:32pm What I don't understand is why you posted that quote, especially seeing as you contradicted the obvious conclusion. Hence my request for an explanation.
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Pommy Bastard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #31 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:38pm I'm sorry I'm, not getting you? Unless you believe that an investigation instituted by the church into the level of paedophilia within it, is a denial, or mitigation, or disproves that it has harboured, given succour too, and enabled paedophiles?
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Reply #32 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:44pm

I think the fact that they initiated an investigation and published the results despite the serious conclusions indicates that they are doing something about it. I think it is naive to conclude that other churches and institutions are not harbouring pedophiles (or doing it to a lesser extent) just because you can't google the information.

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Reply #33 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:53pm

We've yet to see any real results stemming from whatever investigation or that they are serious about this.

Some of their members are still a little slow in catching up with the Pope mobile as in the case of Bishop Fishers' comments.

As the victims and the media are crowing - it's okay to say sorry but action is what really matters.

Cardinal Pell says that he has already said sorry to the Fosters and that his apology still stands - however, that is not what they want from him and the Church.

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Reply #34 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:57pm

I've never doubted they are doing something about it. (However, too little too late.)

I have never said I believe; Quote:

that other churches and institutions are not harbouring pedophiles

But do you not think that if they were doing it even "to a lesser extent' then we would also be seeing the stories in the papers and news, seeing those churches sued, those vicars, preists, parsons, pastors, clerics, etc outed as abusers, and seeing that abuse exposed?

However, we are not.

The catholic church has been a home to, and harboured, given succour too, and enabled paedophiles. It stands head and shoulders above all others in this.

Taken with its illogical stances on contraception and abortion, and its leeching off the poor, its hoarding of wealth and its fascistic structure, it is not a wholesome enterprise.

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Acid Monkey Gold Member Offline Goth Father Posts: 1064 EU Gender:	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #35 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 6:00pm Pommy Bastard wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 5:57pm: ....it is not a wholesome enterprise. What an understatement!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52826 At my desk.	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #36 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 6:24pm However, we are not. Yes we are.
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Pommy Bastard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #37 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 7:45pm Then I trust you will post them?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52826 At my desk.	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #38 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 10:59am Google is a wonderful thing. Here's all that missing information: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=anglican+pedophile&meta=
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Pommy Bastard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #39 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 1:21pm Did you actually check the links, and the articles linked to, before posting that?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52826 At my desk.	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #40 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 1:29pm I looked at some of them. Those Anglicans sure have a lot to answer for....
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Pommy Bastard Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #41 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 1:36pm Not from what I read. Most of it was speculative, unsubstantiated,and seemed to come from catholic sources, very little hard factual evidence at all. Religions though eh? A pox on the lot of them. (But the biggest pox on cathlicism )
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Reply #42 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 1:41pm

That's because the Anglican church is covering it up, whereas the Catholic church is dealing with it openly. They should be congratulated for their honesty. How many other churches are going to be so open about it if you latch onto any church that publishes the facts?

Since when is only having half the story evidence that the other half isn't there? How come you believe Catholic sources when they admit their own failures but you dismiss those same sources if they acknowledge the failures of other churches? It's not like the Catholics are using this issue to attack other churches.

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Reply #43 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 1:51pm

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That's because the Anglican church is covering it up, whereas the Catholic church is dealing with it openly.

Tautology, if they are covering it up, how are you aware of it?

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They should be congratulated for their honesty. How many other churches are going to be so open about it if you latch onto any church that publishes the facts?

Pardon?

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Since when is only having half the story evidence that the other half isn't there?

Not that I've ever said that it is, so why do you insist on putting words in my mouth?

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How come you believe Catholic sources when they admit their own failures but you dismiss those same sources if they acknowledge the failures of other churches?

Because the sources are not "the same", and I haven't dismissed them, just noted their lack of supportive evidence.

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It's not like the Catholics are using this issue to attack other churches.

Well done them, but again, as no one has claimed they are, why should this idea concern us?

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Catholicism a blight on our society Reply #44 - Jul 29^th, 2008 at 11:36pm What about Peter Hollingworth and friends?
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