That is why so many moderate muslims are even more terrified of these Islamic extremists than the west is.

Is this the same ones you claim support terrorism? You need to get your conspiracies straight.

What if both sides are Muslim?

muso wrote on Jun 17^th, 2008 at 9:06pm:

I do apologise about guyana and surinam, i forgot to remove them from my list. I took a list off of the OIC, and thought I removed most countries that have a low Muslim population.

These nations would not be forced to become Islamic states. I have no doubt that if Egypt was actually democratic they would choose the Islamic state option. In fact the Muslim brotherhood basically won the last election in egypt but the american backed president was fraudulant and threw his rivals in prison.

I can understand why Turks think that, the Arabs and even the Sultan betrayed them. When they were facing the European and Australian hordes attacking them in WW1, the Arabs revolted against them after being promised kingship in the Arab lands, further making their lives difficult. Then to top it off the Sultan signed the Treaty of Sevres, which was a horrendous and treasonous agreement. They saw a very bad example of Islam towards the end and are understandably resentful towards it. I feel sorry for them.. They truly would need to see how the real Islam is in small doses so they can get comfortable with it and perhaps one day they would change their minds.

It would be a gradual process starting with only one or two nations and expanding peaceful throughout by its working example insha'ALLAH. If there is a good balanced example of an islamic state promoting justice, human rights, freedoms, protection of christians and jews, womens rights, tolerance etc people will see the truth about an Islamic State and over time perhaps come to want their state to be like that. If those states are democratic they wont mind political candidates promoting an Islamic State. If they aren't democratic then they will have to imprison and torture anyone who promotes the idea, thus further delegitimizing themselves.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2008 at 10:49pm:


What a terrible position to be in for any Muslim to be in. If you're wrong in that battle and are responsible for intentionally killing a Muslim then the following applies to you.

004.093
If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

pope urban 2 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2008 at 11:36pm:

Your right about that JFK, in fact the Qur'anic verse which really brought me to Islam states:

004.135
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

BTW, women get whatever they want in paradise. Just as men do, I just somehow highly doubt that a virgin male would be attractive for a woman. But you know, whatever floats their boat.

No Mozz, I think they are just like everyone else, only with different hats.

004.135
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

Malik, the important phrase there is distort justice, to automatically take a fellow Muslims side, regardless of what he has done, seems a distortion to me and too many do it.