malik - i'm not going to tippytoe around your sensitiities.
there is no "evidence" you have provided.

Delete all your relevant comments on mohammad's relevant behaviour or accept my comments.

The world of freedom of speech does not run to your wishes.

How about you just move on?

Before I came onto this forum I looked and saw what threads had been created regarding Islam.

In them I saw a great number of misconceptions of Islam and even saw Sprint lamenting that no Muslim would come and clarify Islam for him on the site. Crocodile Tears I say.

It's obvious that since I have come to this site and have clarified with evidence these issues, Sprint still continues to bring up the same old garbage and spit venom full of hate.

It's clear that Sprint hates Islam, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and possibly the Muslims by his speech, although with his words he will be very fake and act like he supports peoples right to speak, all he supports is peoples right to speak so that he can then insult, degrade and belittle their beliefs.

Sprint I believe in free speech, but it should be accountable, if you have something to say, do it respectfully and back it up with evidence. I can assure you that you have been wrong about Islam from the beginning and I know that you are aware of that.. But the fact is that because you are filled with so much hate for Islam and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh you wish to twist the facts and make it seem that history is different than it is.

I'm not just an average Muslim off of the street who knows nothing of history, I know my religion better than you think and I know history better than you think.

You need to grow up Sprint and start discussing things properly.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:


Try making insulting remarks about Jesus throughout the US bible belt and see how you go.

What you say is not all what you truly believe, I would wager. It’s what you want other people to believe of Islam. I notice you haven’t found those ‘secret files’, so maybe they never existed and your understanding of Islam is merely half-baked notions mostly gleaned from commentaries on Islam of dubious authority and bias. The rest is  drivel you’ve knocked out off the top of your head.

You are not using free speech in aid of a serious enquiry into Islam, you are in fact misusing the right of free speech in order to incite hatred and contempt. You are like an obsessed nutter who can’t stop raving on about your pet subject and I would not be surprised if those who know you personally would characterise you as obsessive.

Before you start any more threads on Islam, come clean on this one first. Find those ‘secret files’ and show to our satisfaction that they are genuine, relevant and unbiased commentary.

Prove to us all here that you’re not just a loony and have a real interest in understanding Islam as much as you can from the perspective of one who practises the faith.

helian - i have never said i have any "secret files."
I have posted the info I had on the war of the trenches.

my 1/2 baked notions are also the 1/2 baked notions saudi, yemen, hilali, many clerics worldwide espouse too.
And I provide quotes to support them.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:

no.. freedom of speech is the right to express yourself and your beliefs, but when your expressing yourself in a way which oppresses others and incites violence or hate against them it goes beyond freedom of speech, it becomes incitement. your particular brand of free speech is not only inciting hatred, but completely without fact.
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:

i asked you not to insult the prophet muhammad pbuh, i didn't threaten to cut your head off or anything. at the time of the prophet many people insulted him, in fact when he went to the city of taif seeking refuge prior to the migration to madinah the people there hurled stones at him, he was bleeding so profusely from his injuries that the blood filled the sandals he wore.

but when he took the city after taking over mecca did he exact revenge? no..

after leaving the city, the angel gabriel came to the prophet muhammad pbuh and said for the injustice the inhabitants of taif had given him, he had ALLAH swt's permission to bring the two surrounding mountains together and crush them all should the prophet pbuh wish for that..

but instead of seeking the death of the inhabitants of taif, he prayed their children would accept islam.. and they did..
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:

i honestly couldn't care what you would say of me, but when you insult my prophet you insult everything i believe in. we consider one's honour to be of paramount importance, reputation, chivalry, honesty and honour make up a major part of our lives. your slander of the prophet pbuh is incredibly offensive. that isn't free speech, that is slander of his name and i find it so abhorrent. how do you expect to have dialogue when you behave in such a despicable manner? your behaviour will only drive a wedge between us and breed animosity

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:

oh yes, let me pick up my telephone and call osama right now.. because of course, being a muslim i must have his phone number, ill just dial..

*ring ring*
osama: allo?
me: assalaamu alaikumm ob1 how are u?
osama: wa alaikumm assalaam adz how are you? how is the family?
me: alhumdulillah fantastic osama, did you get the eid card i sent you last year?
osama: hey yeah i didn't receive it yet, u know, the mail up here in the caves are not so good.
me: ahh ok, well anyway ob1, the reason for my call is i just wanted to tell you that you have it all wrong, islam doesn't allow terrorism and killing innocent people.
osama: what?! are you serious? wow thanks for telling me adz.. boy is my face red! i'm so embarrassed!

now do you see how stupid what you said is sprint?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2008 at 5:49pm:

you don't query anything about islam or muhammad pbuh, you ACCUSE and SLANDER them.. that is a great deal different than querying.

and yes.. you DO have it wrong, you haven't the faintest idea of what islam actually says.. you just get your facts from anti islam sites and the media, you dont sstudy anything from the sources.

freediver - i have posted the info I had about the trench treachery.
call them what you want,I'll even post it again if you want !
I never called them

malik - so, are you saying, mohammad is everything and anything you believe in?
And anything anyone says to query him or his actions so totally offends you you find it inexcusable ??

malik - that was the info I had.
Seems very logic to me.
the info you had seems quite unbeliveable to me.

how come muslims don't go so .... untoward ... when jesus is insulted ?

quotes from the korans and hadiths is slandering mohammad ???
agreeing with the extremists interperetation is wrong ??

you dont have to contact osama yourself on the cavephone.
Many other muslims know him and other extermists and areook with it.
You got a contact # for saudi, try them.



remember a few years ago there were christian terrorists in USA?
They wanted to stop abortions and were blowing up abortion clinics.
Other christians dobbed them into the police.
Us christians don't always do the right thing.
But things like that show that terrorism is considered unchristian.

And there is heaps of slander against jesus in democratic societies.
Be it right or wrong, it is freedom of speech.
No muslims seem overly perturbed at that.