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Re: Climate Change Debate
Reply #150 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am
 
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/
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Reply #151 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...
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Re: Climate Change Debate
Reply #152 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:56pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found these Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Linus : Do you think you could stop turning up in topics with your dead links/links to Left wing whackjob fact check sites? I’m getting tired of pwning your red raw arse every time you do this.
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Reply #153 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:06pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found these Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Linus : Do you think you could stop turning up in topics with your links to Left wing whackjob fact check sites? I’m getting tired of pwning your red raw arse every time you do this.



Could you stop lying, LJ?

And in the same vein could you stop beating your left-wing hubby?  Grin

( You did post somewhere that your husband is a lefty, yes?)
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Re: Climate Change Debate
Reply #154 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:13pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:06pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found these Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Linus : Do you think you could stop turning up in topics with your links to Left wing whackjob fact check sites? I’m getting tired of pwning your red raw arse every time you do this.


1. Could you stop lying, LJ?

2. And in the same vein could you stop beating your left-wing hubby?  Grin

3. ( You did post somewhere that your husband is a lefty, yes?)


1. Telling the brutal truth isn’t a lie (unless you’re an unhinged psychopath). 

2. You only ever say that to me under your Meister id.

3. My husband is (unfortunately) both a lefty and an agnostic.

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Reply #155 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:26pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:13pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:06pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found these Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Linus : Do you think you could stop turning up in topics with your links to Left wing whackjob fact check sites? I’m getting tired of pwning your red raw arse every time you do this.


1. Could you stop lying, LJ?

2. And in the same vein could you stop beating your left-wing hubby?  Grin

3. ( You did post somewhere that your husband is a lefty, yes?)


1. Telling the brutal truth isn’t a lie (unless you’re an unhinged psychopath). 

2. You only ever say that to me under your Meister id.

3. My husband is (unfortunately) both a lefty and an agnostic.



I do not keep on coming into Oz pol with "whackjob"left-wing fact-checkers. And, you're quite free to dispute any facts you think are wrong. From my observations, you have a problem with facts.

I only have one ID- LINUS.

I guess I hit a bullseye. I had no idea someone else said that you beat up your lefty husband. 

How do you co-exist under the same roof? Does he put your Nazi helmet out with the garbage every week, and do you dutifully run out and retrieve it?  Grin
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Reply #156 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:56pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Debunked by who? Those in the grip of the money making machine that is the climate cult?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #157 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 10:05pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:56pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Debunked by who? Those in the grip of the money making machine that is the climate cult?  Roll Eyes


Try following the links I provided. Better still, you could start by putting up the points and arguments you think they're right on. Perhaps one at a time.
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Reply #158 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 10:22pm
 
Linus' second link is about the GBR being 93% "Bleached, Suffering or practically Dead". Of course Terry Hughes said it was dead. Great Lazarus comeback.

And according to the final report it was nowhere near 93%. Some PARTS were 80% affected. Some PARTS were 20% affected and other PARTS not affected at all.

There goes the credibility of a ...Journalism Professor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

His first link is "Access Denied". Ho hum. But I did find it. Poor Linus obviously thinks the climate models aren't wrong, despite Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt saying so.

But according to think progress Clouds are a positive feedback.

"Our initial reading of their article had us independently asking, how we could have missed such explicit evidence of the cloud feedback as shown in LC09? "

The models don't do clouds well at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think Linus is a sock. Gweggy most probably. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #159 - Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:11pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 10:22pm:
Linus' second link is about the GBR being 93% "Bleached, Suffering or practically Dead". Of course Terry Hughes said it was dead. Great Lazarus comeback.

And according to the final report it was nowhere near 93%. Some PARTS were 80% affected. Some PARTS were 20% affected and other PARTS not affected at all.

There goes the credibility of a ...Journalism Professor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

His first link is "Access Denied". Ho hum. But I did find it. Poor Linus obviously thinks the climate models aren't wrong, despite Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt saying so.

But according to think progress Clouds are a positive feedback.

"Our initial reading of their article had us independently asking, how we could have missed such explicit evidence of the cloud feedback as shown in LC09? "

The models don't do clouds well at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think Linus is a sock. Gweggy most probably. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Here's that first link again. It should work now:

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

I don't know why there's this pre-occupation to pigeonhole me as one or another poster. I have only one ID- LINUS.

Perhaps "Lee" you are  a sock for "Lisa Jones".  Roll Eyes

With respect to corals read the whole article. It's still clear that the GBR is still under threat from rising temperatures and is being adversely affected by them, in spite of your attempt to downplay.

The article shows how Moore misrepresented mainstream climate science. Moore is crook.And given that you support his views then it follows you don't know what you're talking about. In fact, weren't you the person who supported a crackpot senator's "bicycle pump theory" of atmospheric warming?  The yoke is on you.  Roll Eyes

After that, read the second article carefully. You quoted out of context. Initially, climate scientists were surprised by Linzden and Choi's article but on examination found it to be BOLLOCKS...


With respect to climate models, they are valuable tools for understanding climate dynamics and projecting potential future scenarios. While models have uncertainties, they have improved over time, continue to improve, and provide useful insights into long-term trends. and models' overall projections align with observed warming trends.

Read about  Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt and how you got it wrong about what they said.



 

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Reply #160 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 1:12am
 
Lee says:

Quote:
Poor Linus obviously thinks the climate models aren't wrong, despite Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt saying so.




Let's take a look at Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt:

"Climate models are often attacked, but most of the time they're remarkably good


The computer models used to simulate what heat-trapping gases will do to global temperatures have been pretty spot-on in their predictions, a new study found.

After years of hearing critics blast the models' accuracy, climate scientist Zeke Hausfather decided to see just how good they have been. He tracked down 17 models used between 1970 and 2007 and found that the majority of them predicted results that were "indistinguishable from what actually occurred."

"By and large our models have gotten it right, plus or minus a little bit," said Hausfather, a UC Berkeley scientist who is climate and energy director at the Breakthrough Institute. "If they get it wrong, it's slightly on the warm side, but I wouldn't read too much into that."

Ten of the 17 were close to the temperatures that actually happened, said Hausfather, lead author of a study in Wednesday's journal Geophysical Research Letters.


But scientists actually got the physics right even more than that, Hausfather said.


Climate models are based on two main assumptions. One is the physics of the atmosphere and how it reacts to heat-trapping gases. The other is the amount of greenhouse gases put into the air.

A few times, scientists were wrong in their predictions about the growth of carbon pollution, saying there would be more of the gases than there actually were, Hausfather said. If they got the amount of heat-trapping gases wrong, they then got the temperatures wrong.

So Hausfather and colleagues, including NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt, looked at how well the models did on just the pure science, taking out the emissions factor. On that count, 14 of the 17 computer models accurately predicted the future.

The scientists also gave each computer simulation a "skill score" that essentially gave a percentage grade to each one. The average grade was a 69%.

One of the earliest computer models, made in 1970, got a 91%. What's so impressive about that is that at the time, climate change wasn't noticeable in the yearly temperature records like it is now, Hausfather said.


Stanford University climate scientist Noah Diffenbaugh, who wasn't part of the study, called the work creative and the results striking.

"Even without knowing what the current level of greenhouse gas concentrations would be, the climate models predicted the evolution of global temperature quite well," Diffenbaugh said.


It's crucial that these models are accurate because "we have one planet Earth, so we can't conduct controlled experiments on the actual climate system," he added.

University of Illinois climate scientist Donald Wuebbles, who wasn't part of the study either, said climate change "deniers do a lot of weird things to misrepresent models. None of those analyses have been valid and they should be ignored. We should no longer be debating the basic science of climate change." "

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-climate-theyre-remarkably-good.html


I wouldn't be laughing and dismissing climate models, if I were you, Lee. And Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt would agree. 

You misrepresented them, Lee.  Roll Eyes


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Reply #161 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 7:34am
 
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:26pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:13pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 9:06pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:56pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 8:46pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 11:19am:
When one of the Greenpeace founders and a Nobel physics prize winner speak out about the climate scam you know it's all unravelling:

https://tacticalinvestor.com/global-warming-hoax-destroyed-by-nobel-laureate/


It's not surprising  that you found these Moore and Linzden on a website spruiking fossil fuel investment.  Roll Eyes

Linzden and Moore have been roundly debunked.

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/lindzen-debunked-again-new-scientific-study-fi...

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skept...


Linus : Do you think you could stop turning up in topics with your links to Left wing whackjob fact check sites? I’m getting tired of pwning your red raw arse every time you do this.


1. Could you stop lying, LJ?

2. And in the same vein could you stop beating your left-wing hubby?  Grin

3. ( You did post somewhere that your husband is a lefty, yes?)


1. Telling the brutal truth isn’t a lie (unless you’re an unhinged psychopath). 

2. You only ever say that to me under your Meister id.

3. My husband is (unfortunately) both a lefty and an agnostic.



1. I do not keep on coming into Oz pol with "whackjob"left-wing fact-checkers. And, you're quite free to dispute any facts you think are wrong. From my observations, you have a problem with facts.

2. I only have one ID- LINUS.




1. Liar. In fact BOTH your recent links prove it!

2. Liar. You’re a cyber junkie Multi Mong from Monk’s Manure Mound.

Now off you go. Log back in with one of your other Multi Mong ids. Give your Lienus id a rest for now. It’s sore from being pwned. Again.
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Reply #162 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 9:40am
 
lee wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 10:22pm:
Linus' second link is about the GBR being 93% "Bleached, Suffering or practically Dead". Of course Terry Hughes said it was dead. Great Lazarus comeback.

And according to the final report it was nowhere near 93%. Some PARTS were 80% affected. Some PARTS were 20% affected and other PARTS not affected at all.

There goes the credibility of a ...Journalism Professor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

His first link is "Access Denied". Ho hum. But I did find it. Poor Linus obviously thinks the climate models aren't wrong, despite Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt saying so.

But according to think progress Clouds are a positive feedback.

"Our initial reading of their article had us independently asking, how we could have missed such explicit evidence of the cloud feedback as shown in LC09? "

The models don't do clouds well at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think Linus is a sock. Gweggy most probably. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Now you know why I enjoy making fun of that ID.

Although .... he sometimes reminds me of someone else.

(I wish Freediver allowed each person here to have 1 ID).
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Reply #163 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 10:13am
 
1. Lisa, you made a sweeping statement based on two links in this topic only. And if you look closely, there the actual climate scientists are speaking. Talking facts and not rubbish like you.
Is physics.org a left wing site? That's my 3rd link in this topic.

2. With respect to calling me a "cyberjunkie", that's rich coming from you. I have nowhere been online as much as you. I'm relatively new to this. However, I did catch you elsewhere railing against posters for being 20 years online. This means you were right there along with them. And you're on this forum, by the looks of it, almost 24/7. You are the cyberjunkie. Take your personal projections elsewhere.

3.You barge into threads, screaming ranting and raving spewing paranoia about who you think posters are and have nothing constructive to say. If this is how you behave in the real world, it's amazing you haven't been scheduled.

4. Oh, and if you look at my responses to Lee, you will know that the last laugh was on him. Like all climate change deniers, they never can get their facts straight and virtually always misrepresent the climate science.

5. How about engaging in genuine discussion for a change, Lisa? What are your views on climate change? i
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Reply #164 - Sep 1st, 2023 at 10:19am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 1st, 2023 at 9:40am:
lee wrote on Aug 31st, 2023 at 10:22pm:
Linus' second link is about the GBR being 93% "Bleached, Suffering or practically Dead". Of course Terry Hughes said it was dead. Great Lazarus comeback.

And according to the final report it was nowhere near 93%. Some PARTS were 80% affected. Some PARTS were 20% affected and other PARTS not affected at all.

There goes the credibility of a ...Journalism Professor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

His first link is "Access Denied". Ho hum. But I did find it. Poor Linus obviously thinks the climate models aren't wrong, despite Hausfather, Peters and Schmidt saying so.

But according to think progress Clouds are a positive feedback.

"Our initial reading of their article had us independently asking, how we could have missed such explicit evidence of the cloud feedback as shown in LC09? "

The models don't do clouds well at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I think Linus is a sock. Gweggy most probably. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Now you know why I enjoy making fun of that ID.

Although .... he sometimes reminds me of someone else.

(I wish Freediver allowed each person here to have 1 ID).


Nope! Linus is 10000% a Mong (shared btwn Bwian and Groggy etc).

Their ridiculous Mong personas are now way too easy to spot: For starters ALL Manure Mound Mongs lie AND deflect in the face of brutal truth. Anyway ... I’m happy to discuss Climate Change with you Lee. And with Freediver.
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