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Reply #135 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 3:33pm
 
The German industrial area of Schwarze Pumpe, about 4 km south of the city of Spremberg, is home to the world's first CCS coal plant. The mini pilot plant is run by an Alstom-built oxy-fuel boiler and is also equipped with a flue gas cleaning facility to remove fly ash and sulphur dioxide. The Swedish company Vattenfall AB invested some 70 million Euros in the two year project which began operation September 9, 2008. The power plant, which is rated at 30-megawatts, is a pilot project to serve as a prototype for future full-scale power plants. 240 tonnes a day of CO2 are being trucked 350 kilometres (210 miles) where it will be injected into an empty gas field.

It's just a pilot plant at this stage. Here's a link:

(The text comes from an email - It's not on the web)

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/SmartHome/story?id=5844357&page=1
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Reply #136 - Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:27pm
 
My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here is how I feel about whiskey.

If when you say "whiskey" you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation and despair and shame and helplessness and hopelessness, then certainly I am against it.

But if when you say "whiskey" you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer; if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old gentleman's step on a frosty, crispy morning; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm, to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it.

This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise.

Noah S. "Soggy" Sweat, Jr.


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Reply #137 - Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:47pm
 
The Irishman in the video below gave good advice in his gallows speech:


Francis Elroy Duffy, Prisoner: Now Preacher?

The Preacher: You may say your piece now.

Francis Elroy Duffy, Prisoner: You're now looking, for the last time, at the mortal body of Francis Elroy Duffy, born to John and Edna Duffy, good, God-fearing folk. Who raised me up to be a good man and a good Christian, and I was a good Christian, a good husband to my beloved wife, good father to my children, who I leave behind, hoping that they, and all you, will learn this here lesson which I leave you with. When you take the devil into your mouth, you're doomed! For he is lying there in wait for you inside that bottle of whiskey. Waiting for you to take him into your mouth. Waiting to get down into your guts where he can do his devil's work. Liquor is the most foul, evil thing in this here world. It destroyed good men like myself. It'll destroy you too. Beer is not much better - it's slower, cheaper. So take these words of advice. And remember, you heard them from a poor sinner, got no more cause to lie, 'cause he's going to meet his Maker. Now he's ready. Well that's all I've got to say.




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Reply #138 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 3:06pm
 
A man goes to the GP for his test results. “Bad news, I’m afraid,” says the doctor, looking at his watch. “You’ve only got three minutes to live.”

“Three minutes?” the man cries. “Surely there’s something you can do for me?”

“Well I could boil you an egg,” says the doc.

I was put in mind of this delightful old joke last month by the lugubrious face of UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres (an honorary doctor nine times over) as he introduced the latest increment of climate concern, announcing, with deadpan comic timing, that we have now entered “the era of global boiling”.

It wasn’t immediately apparent what precisely will be boiling if the Earth’s temperature increases by one or two degrees over the next century (the thermal equivalent, by my unscientific calculation, of moving from Sydney to Port Macquarie). The oceans? The planet itself? Molten rock as it flows out of a volcano looks inhospitable enough, but boiling? Ouch, that’s seriously warm. Are you proud of yourself, Antonio? The sight of a grown man spouting such drivel in an attempt to frighten the simpletons among us is as ludicrous as it is contemptible.

The irritating thing is that by pointing out that nonsense, countenancing even the slightest deviation from the alleged consensus, you are damned by the zealots. God forbid you should suggest, with Bjorn Lomborg, that it might be smarter – and cheaper – to adapt to whatever climatic perturbations might inconvenience us (as Alfred Wainwright, who wrote the definitive walking guides to England’s Lake District, used to say, “There’s no such thing as bad weather, only unsuitable clothing”). Fail to applaud and indulge the grandiose ambition to change the world’s climate and no matter how much you treasure and respect nature, you’re treated as though you’re announcing a plan to pack the throats of loggerhead turtles with plastic bags.

What happened to civilised debate, the tacit agreement that it’s possible for decent, thoughtful people to hold a different view from yours that isn’t motivated by malice? We see the same attitude towards those who question the wisdom of establishing a permanent Constitutional voice as the most effective mechanism to address Indigenous disadvantage. Much easier to dismiss them as racists than engage with their arguments.

Meanwhile, follow the money back to the cynical beneficiaries – ni hao, Xi Jinping! – of our misplaced pieties. In Scotland, it was revealed this month, 16 million trees – you know, the tall, pretty things that soak up the carbon dioxide Antonio is worried about – have been cut down to make way for Chinese-built wind farms. Saving the planet; just not the wooden bits. Or here, where we scythe vast corridors through native bush and across lovingly tended farmland to accommodate transmission lines for “renewable” energy projects. (These are designed to spare us from using the coal and iron ore we’ve just dug up and sent thousands of kilometres so an environmentally irresponsible communist state can turn them into wind turbines, solar panels and electric cars, and sell them back to us at an inflated price; who could fault that logic?)
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Steve Waterson is a senior writer at The Australian

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Reply #139 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 3:14pm
 
And the wildfire in Hawaii? Not climate change.

Hawaiian Fires: Fueled by Invasive Grasses, a Wet Spring and Human Ignition Sources

"According to Hawaii Wildfire Management Organization, 98% of all Hawaiian fires are started by people, of which 75% are due to carelessness.

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As Maui’s pineapple and sugar cane plantations were abandoned, they became dominated by invasive annual grasses that flourish in disturbed soils. Fire experts categorize such small diameter grasses as 1-hour lag fuels, meaning that within half a day of dry weather, these grasses become highly flammable, allowing fires to rapidly spread in even moderate winds. Annual grasses typically die during the dry seasons. Maui’s rainless period typically lasts from about May 25 to July 15.

Furthermore, Lahaina is situated on the leeward side of Maui’s mountains. These highlands wring out the moisture carried by the trade winds, with only 15” of rain falling in Lahaina compared to 300” on the mountains to the east. Thus, Lahaina’s surrounding grassland vegetation is primed each summer to rapidly burn once ignited.

Figure 2 Precipitation Departure NOAA – Courtesy Cliff Mass

Counterintuitively, wet seasons create higher fire danger by increasing the abundance of dead grasses for the dry season. Spring of 2023 was cooler and wetter than normal (Figure 2), leading to high grass fuel load.

In contrast, dry seasons have little impact, as the dead invasive grasses become highly flammable quickly every season. Thus, the only protective measure for Lahaina’s future requires managing the grasslands as well as creating firebreaks that suppress a grass fire’s rapid invasion into the town.

Firebreaks protecting the whole town are especially important. If a grassfire reaches just one house in a densely packed neighborhood, such as much of Lahaina, that one house will radiate enough heat to ignite its neighboring house, which then sets off a cascading conflagration that can destroy a whole town.

The CO2 Coalition’s scientists caution against adopting useless remedies such as that proposed by the national director of the Green New Deal Network, who demanded that “President Biden declare a climate emergency and activate politicians to take further climate action.”

James Steele is a biologist, author and former director of San Francisco State University’s Sierra Nevada Field Campus. He is a proud member of the CO2 Coalition.
Tags: Fire, invasive species, Lahaina, wildfires, Steele, Hawai
https://co2coalition.org/2023/08/11/hawaiian-fires-fueled-by-invasive-grasses-a-...
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Reply #140 - Aug 12th, 2023 at 3:29pm
 
But wait! There's more! The myth of cheap wind power so beloved of the climate cultists is unravelling rapidly:

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Wind-Power/Wind-Industry-Seeks-More-Supp...
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Reply #141 - Aug 25th, 2023 at 9:27am
 


Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #142 - Aug 28th, 2023 at 5:03pm
 
Very satisfying




Mass arrest of climate/capitalism hysterics blocking road.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1695983304728531397
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Reply #143 - Aug 28th, 2023 at 5:58pm
 
A mass turbation (mass mixing of the sediment) Roll Eyes
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Reply #144 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 12:41pm
 
John Kerry, the unthinking senior Gretas' favourite silly old bugger.


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Reply #145 - Aug 29th, 2023 at 5:58pm
 
I see JM is insisting that all CO2 after 1880 is anthropogenic. So volcanoes don't exist and neither do CO2 vents. Roll Eyes
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Reply #146 - Aug 30th, 2023 at 12:34pm
 
I see both Lin us and JM pointing to papers they say says CO2 was 280ppm in 1880. What they both fail to realise is that it is an estimate. The paper Linus posted actually said 292ppm. Roll Eyes
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Reply #147 - Aug 30th, 2023 at 3:36pm
 

The former head of Snowy Hydro has expressed surprise at reports the price tag for the already overblown and delayed Snowy 2.0 pumped-hydro project could hit $12 billion. (From an estimate of $6billion a few MONTHS ago, according to the ABC).

The major energy project, which was announced under former coalition prime minister Malcolm Turnbull in 2017, is expected to play a key role in Australia’s clean energy transition.

High construction costs and other challenges have already pushed back the 2021 completion date and blown out the $2 billion originally estimated cost of the project.

A report in the Nine newspapers suggests the cost of the project has blown out to more than $12 billion, based on sources familiar with the details of an internal review into the matter.

Former chief executive of Snowy Hydro, Paul Broad, said he was surprised by the scale of the rumoured costings.

“I’m a bit shocked. I don’t know where this $12 billion comes from, that’s news to me. Twelve months ago it was nothing like that,” he told 2GB radio.

“That seems mad.”
https://www.aap.com.au/news/former-snowy-hydro-boss-shocked-over-cost-blowout/

‘Fantasy land’: Renewable energy expert says prices won’t fall

https://www.2gb.com/fantasy-land-renewable-energy-expert-says-prices-wont-fall/
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Reply #148 - Aug 30th, 2023 at 4:54pm
 
And JM in  nitpicking mode about Co2.

"The Highest Levels of Co2 in Recent History"

https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/

It doesn't help when earth.org can't get it right.
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Reply #149 - Aug 30th, 2023 at 6:26pm
 
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Figure 2: Antarctic ice core CO2 trends during the past 1000 years compiled from Figure 1. Data references in figure 1.

https://andymaypetrophysicist.com/2021/07/01/greenland-ice-core-co2-during-the-p...
So which one is "correct".

Antarctica CO2 history
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