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A Push For Private Health Cover Reform.
Reply #120 - May 22nd, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon has made a pitch to the rural independents as she tries to sell Labor's proposed changes to private health insurance.

Ms Roxon said people in regional areas often don't have private cover or, if they do, they don't earn enough to be affected by the plan to means test and reduce the 30 per cent rebate.

The health minister also argued on Sunday that the Gillard government had a mandate for the $2 billion reform as it took the policy to the 2010 election.


Labor promised not to touch the rebate before the 2007 poll but broke its pledge once in power.

It twice tried to means test the rebate and increase the Medicare surcharge levy for those without cover but was blocked by a hostile Senate.

"The last two times of course there were arguments about this proposal not having been taken to to the public," Ms Roxon told Network Ten.

"(But) this was our policy very clearly, it has been for two years, we took it to the last election."

The Gillard government wants to save $2 billion over four years by means testing the rebate for individuals earning more than $80,000 and families earning more than $160,000.

At the same time, it plans to increase the surcharge for the wealthiest Australians without cover, from one to 1.5 per cent of taxable income.

Ms Roxon believes country crossbench MPs including Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, who have previously voted against the measure in the lower house, can be won over.

Their votes will be crucial as the coalition has vowed to again vote against the legislation.

"Regional Australia is usually quite low (in terms of private cover) because there often aren't many private providers where consumers can actually use their services," Ms Roxon said.

"They (the independent MPs) also represent electorates where there are a lot of very low income earners who would not be affected in any way by these changes."

The health minister insisted the overhaul was "sensible".

"But I think we've got a bit of work to do to calm people down," she said.
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Re: A Push For Private Health Cover Reform.
Reply #121 - May 22nd, 2011 at 8:05pm
 
How many smacking treads do you need to start on the topic of private health insurance.

bugger me sideways, no wonder we cant find any threads here more than two days old with all the spamming you and macca do on a daily basis.

Sooner these two retards get given the flick the better.
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Reply #122 - May 23rd, 2011 at 1:35am
 
Private Health is a Rort that is based upon the USA Scam system ...a nation that is 3rd World Medically.
I know this, I worked the Private Health System for 5 years.
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Reply #123 - May 26th, 2011 at 6:40am
 
Means test defeat would blast budget.    Sad


THE government faces a hole of about $3.4 billion over four years in its budget if its proposed means test on the private health insurance rebate is rejected.   Sad

The legislation, yet to be introduced, is struggling with Queensland independent Bob Katter hitting out against it yesterday and New South Wales MP Tony Windsor saying he would vote against it if the proposal was in its previous form.

Their comments come a day after Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie expressed severe doubts.


Mr Windsor said he was having talks with the government next week. His comment opens the possibility that he might be more open minded if there were changes to the proposal.

A spokesman for Health Minister Nicola Roxon left open the possibility of compromise, saying the government would work closely with the crossbenchers to negotiate the legislation's passage.

The potential saving from the measure is much higher than the $1.9 billion estimate, for a little shorter period, when the legislation was put to Parliament unsuccessfully last term. The new saving estimate was disguised in the budget, and the government refuses to confirm it until it brings the legislation back.

Mr Katter said he was ''scared silly of people moving out of the private health system into the public health system, which is already collapsing in Queensland''. It was necessary to try to ensure people who were able to afford it stayed in the private health system, he said.

The legislation was defeated twice in the Senate last term but with the hung parliament it will stand or fall in the House of Representatives. The Coalition is opposed so its fate depends on the six crossbenchers - the government needs four for a majority.

In a big effort to get the numbers, the government is preparing information for all the crossbench House members about the impact of the means test on their electorates.

The spokesman reassured the country independents that ''the vast majority of people with private health insurance in regional Australia are below the thresholds at which the means test will come into effect - and therefore they won't be affected.''   Wink

Mr Wilkie told Parliament this week he was ''yet to be convinced by the government that means testing the health insurance rebate is the most sensible thing to do''.

Yesterday he said he was waiting for the government to give him a detailed breakdown on the private health care take-up in his seat of Denison and modelling on the effect on the public healthcare system.

The Greens MP Adam Bandt will vote for the legislation. Independent Rob Oakeshott has voted both for and against. West Australian National Tony Crook has yet to declare a position.
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Reply #124 - May 26th, 2011 at 10:41am
 
Here's what I don't particularly like is - if I am paying for private health insurance to pay for myself, why should I not receive a credit for not using the public system?

Here's the thing - if I am paying for myself - why should I be paying for say someone who doesn't work to get free healthcare?

They would pay in nothing and I would be paying twice.

Seem fair?
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Reply #125 - May 26th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
andrei <<Here's the thing - if I am paying for myself - why should I be paying for say someone who doesn't work to get free healthcare?>>
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It's just how it is in a so called civilised society. If you don't like it, you know what you can do?

stop paying and stop whingeing   Smiley
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Reply #126 - May 26th, 2011 at 11:44am
 
Pray we don't get the USA Private Health System. It is the most costly and corrupt system in the world. Most USA citizens take a 'holiday' in Canada, Cuba and even Mexico to get better Care for your money.
USA may show some shiny new equipment due to their expensive 'rates' but really the only great drug they came out with was Ecstasy amongst other such drugs.

As for Australia: Upon an ABC Forum, the top Medics in the country agreed that the Medical Industry doesn't really need Money, but the right reults from policies implemented - which was not happening.

Nurses are sooooo overpaid. They can make $100 an hour and throw in the availability to do extra hours if they so choose on top of that. These extra wages just go into them buying their cigarettes and alcohol - because work is so hard, especially when they can't cope with having more male staff than just 9% and more 'heterosexual' attitudes at that in the male staff.
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Reply #127 - May 26th, 2011 at 11:52am
 
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Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon has made a pitch to the rural independents as she tries to sell Labor's proposed changes to private health insurance.

Ms Roxon said people in regional areas often don't have private cover or, if they do, they don't earn enough to be affected by the plan to means test and reduce the 30 per cent rebate.

The health minister also argued on Sunday that the Gillard government had a mandate for the $2 billion reform as it took the policy to the 2010 election.


Labor promised not to touch the rebate before the 2007 poll but broke its pledge once in power.

It twice tried to means test the rebate and increase the Medicare surcharge levy for those without cover but was blocked by a hostile Senate.

"The last two times of course there were arguments about this proposal not having been taken to to the public," Ms Roxon told Network Ten.

"(But) this was our policy very clearly, it has been for two years, we took it to the last election."

The Gillard government wants to save $2 billion over four years by means testing the rebate for individuals earning more than $80,000 and families earning more than $160,000.

At the same time, it plans to increase the surcharge for the wealthiest Australians without cover, from one to 1.5 per cent of taxable income.

Ms Roxon believes country crossbench MPs including Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, who have previously voted against the measure in the lower house, can be won over.

Their votes will be crucial as the coalition has vowed to again vote against the legislation.

"Regional Australia is usually quite low (in terms of private cover) because there often aren't many private providers where consumers can actually use their services," Ms Roxon said.

"They (the independent MPs) also represent electorates where there are a lot of very low income earners who would not be affected in any way by these changes."

The health minister insisted the overhaul was "sensible".

"But I think we've got a bit of work to do to calm people down," she said.


Labor has no mandate whatsoever for any policy at all. They dont even havea mandate to form government!
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Re: A Push For Private Health Cover Reform.
Reply #128 - May 26th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
Verge wrote on May 22nd, 2011 at 8:05pm:
How many smacking treads do you need to start on the topic of private health insurance.

bugger me sideways, no wonder we cant find any threads here more than two days old with all the spamming you and macca do on a daily basis.

Sooner these two retards get given the flick the better.


You could always ask the mods to do something about it!!


LOL!!!

I needed a laugh!!!
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #129 - May 26th, 2011 at 12:34pm
 
Having worked for a Private Health Provider...
the only good thing about it is the Doctors that you get. I was privaleged to have worked for these guys in my own insignificant way.
But the Management who worked for the Health Provider were just disgusting! I was so ashamed to have worked in such a RORT/SCAM.
People worked hard, paid a lot of money into Health Insurances like HCF, MBF, NIB, etc and then pay another 75% on top of that to these Providers: Fees, extras, rates, etc.
What you get is absolute CRAP for your money. No, I tell a lie. You get some of the best Doctors, but even they were frustrated that there was hardly any equipment, Staff and quality efficiency.
All you get is a fascade. A nice 'Hotel' more than a top Medical example. They just spruce over the rort with cheap paintings on your single room wall, carpet corridors and decent food. But you have stuff all Medical equipment ...in a nutshell, if anything went 'medically' wrong - you were shipped back to the Public Hospital. What a joke! Roll Eyes Angry
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Reply #130 - May 27th, 2011 at 10:55am
 
THE government's problem with its proposed $3.4 billion means test on the private health insurance rebate increased yesterday when Greens MP Adam Bandt warned he might not support the bill if it was watered down.   Smiley

The legislation, to be introduced, will need crossbench support to pass the House of Representative because the Coalition will oppose it.   Sad

Under means testing, the 30 per cent rebate for singles earning more than $80,000 a year or couples earning more than $160,000 falls to 20 per cent - then 10 per cent for singles earning more then $93,000, or couples earning $186,000, before cutting out altogether for singles who earn more than $124,000 or couples earning $248,000.


The government needs four of the six crossbenchers. Queensland independent Bob Katter attacked the move, while Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie is doubtful about it, awaiting more information.

NSW independent Tony Windsor, who voted against the legislation twice, said he would do so again if it's unchanged.

The government is signalling it is willing to negotiate but is now caught, because any softening could possibly see Mr Bandt peel off.

Mr Bandt said: ''I cannot guarantee that I will support a watered-down version of this important budget saving, especially without knowing what the government will cut to make up the shortfall.''

But the Greens are caught in a bind of their own. They want to see the private health insurance rebate abolished - by voting against a watered-down means test they would be in effect going against their own policy.

Greens leader Bob Brown said if the bill did not get up, public health services would miss out.   Sad


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Reply #131 - May 27th, 2011 at 10:59am
 
Yes Mr Bandt the private health insurance rebate should be means tested.  Also right again Mr Bandt, you should not support a watered down bill.  Thank you Mr Bandt.   Smiley
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Reply #132 - May 27th, 2011 at 11:05am
 
Imcrook - Tell me, why should I pay for my and my family's own healthcare and then pay through my taxes for others to have it at my expense as well?

Why should I pay twice and others pay no times?
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Reply #133 - May 27th, 2011 at 12:40pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 27th, 2011 at 11:05am:
Imcrook - Tell me, why should I pay for my and my family's own healthcare and then pay through my taxes for others to have it at my expense as well?

Why should I pay twice and others pay no times?



BECAUSE YOU CAN LOL....SUCK IT UP  Grin
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Reply #134 - May 27th, 2011 at 1:08pm
 
We cant all afford private health insurance.  If you want it, and you can afford it then good luck to you.  However I don't see why peoples decision to have private health insurance, should be on the condition that they get a rebate.  Especially for someone that is paid quite well.   I cant see why it should not be at the least means tested.   Wink
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