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Re: Means Test The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #105 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:07pm
 
A private Health thread by imcrook.

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The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #106 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:01am
 
Proposed changes to the health insurance rebate will encourage more than 1.6 million Australians to drop private hospital cover, a new survey shows.

The report by market research company ANOP and consultant Deloitte surveyed health insurance members about the federal government's plan to means test the 30 per cent rebate.

The report rejected Treasury's forecast of 25,000 consumers dropping their private health cover in the first year the changes come in.


"You are looking at very significant percentages that are going to drop or downgrade for hospital and even bigger numbers in terms of dropping or downgrading their extras cover," ANOP chairman Rod Cameron told media in Canberra on Wednesday.

In the report, 1.6 million insured Australians would drop private hospital cover over five years while 4.3 million would downgrade their policies.

Australian Health Insurance Association (AHIA) chief executive Michael Armitage said the government had underestimated the potential impact of this policy.

"In an attempt to find savings, the government has developed a policy which will demand a greater financial injection than it saves in order to repair the health system," Dr Armitage said.

Labor has tried to means test and reduce the rebate for individuals earning more than $75,000 a year and couples earning more than $150,000 a year.

It has been blocked twice by a hostile Senate but the plan could be passed when the Australian Greens take the balance of power in the upper house from July 1.

The government will be claiming savings in the budget of around $2 billion over four years through changes to private health insurance measures.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the government rejected claims by AHIA of 1.6 million Australians dropping hospital cover due to means-testing of the private health insurance rebate.

"The findings are based on general questions being asked of 2000 people via a telephone poll without all the relevant financial information available," Ms Roxon said.

"People don't make decisions about family budgets during telephone polls. They make them in a more considered fashion with all the facts available."

She said means testing the rebate was fair as 90 per cent of lower-income adults should not subsidise private health cover for the top 10 per cent.

The proposals could change the overall demographic of those holding health insurance, Mr Cameron said.

"People who are going to drop out or downgrade their private health insurance are the more healthy and younger (people), leaving a less healthy pool in the privately health-insured population," he said.

"Of course, (this) is going to have, by itself, impacts on premiums."

Deloitte estimates the policy change would increase private health insurance premiums by 10 per cent more than otherwise by 2016.

Opposition health spokesman Peter Dutton said the coalition had blocked the proposed changes as there would be consequences to the public system.

"It also shows that our public hospitals will be swamped with close to an additional million admissions above normal growth over the next five years and that the costs of that to the taxpayer will be billions of extra dollars," Mr Dutton said.
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Reply #107 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:05am
 
Labor has tried to means test and reduce the rebate for individuals earning more than $75,000 a year and couples earning more than $150,000 a year.

It has been blocked twice by a hostile Senate but the plan could be passed when the Australian Greens take the balance of power in the upper house from July 1.   Smiley
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #108 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:42am
 
You have made several threads on this topic in the past, why has nothing been done about your constant spamming?
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #109 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:45am
 

I don't regard Imcrook's topics as spamming. He raises many
issues which need to be acknowledged and addressed, but
seldom, if ever, are.

And long may he continue to do so.
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #110 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:57am
 


Hmnnn....according to the article, the phone survey was of 2,000 health-insured people - how did they select the respondents and what proportion of them would be affected by the proposed changes...!?

Hello, the proposed changes will only affect the top 10% of income earners - bearing in mind that the associated sticks are bigger than the rebates!

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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #111 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:58am
 


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Proposed changes to the health insurance rebate will encourage more than 1.6 million Australians to drop private hospital cover, a new survey shows.

The report by market research company ANOP and consultant Deloitte surveyed health insurance members about the federal government's plan to means test the 30 per cent rebate.

The report rejected Treasury's forecast of 25,000 consumers dropping their private health cover in the first year the changes come in.


"You are looking at very significant percentages that are going to drop or downgrade for hospital and even bigger numbers in terms of dropping or downgrading their extras cover," ANOP chairman Rod Cameron told media in Canberra on Wednesday.

In the report, 1.6 million insured Australians would drop private hospital cover over five years while 4.3 million would downgrade their policies.

Australian Health Insurance Association (AHIA) chief executive Michael Armitage said the government had underestimated the potential impact of this policy.

"In an attempt to find savings, the government has developed a policy which will demand a greater financial injection than it saves in order to repair the health system," Dr Armitage said.

Labor has tried to means test and reduce the rebate for individuals earning more than $75,000 a year and couples earning more than $150,000 a year.

It has been blocked twice by a hostile Senate but the plan could be passed when the Australian Greens take the balance of power in the upper house from July 1.

The government will be claiming savings in the budget of around $2 billion over four years through changes to private health insurance measures.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the government rejected claims by AHIA of 1.6 million Australians dropping hospital cover due to means-testing of the private health insurance rebate.

"The findings are based on general questions being asked of 2000 people via a telephone poll without all the relevant financial information available," Ms Roxon said.

"People don't make decisions about family budgets during telephone polls. They make them in a more considered fashion with all the facts available."

She said means testing the rebate was fair as 90 per cent of lower-income adults should not subsidise private health cover for the top 10 per cent.

The proposals could change the overall demographic of those holding health insurance, Mr Cameron said.

"People who are going to drop out or downgrade their private health insurance are the more healthy and younger (people), leaving a less healthy pool in the privately health-insured population," he said.

"Of course, (this) is going to have, by itself, impacts on premiums."

Deloitte estimates the policy change would increase private health insurance premiums by 10 per cent more than otherwise by 2016.

Opposition health spokesman Peter Dutton said the coalition had blocked the proposed changes as there would be consequences to the public system.

"It also shows that our public hospitals will be swamped with close to an additional million admissions above normal growth over the next five years and that the costs of that to the taxpayer will be billions of extra dollars," Mr Dutton said.



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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #112 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:32am
 
Keep posting the stories that matter imcrookonit. Issues that effect the lower % of earning power need to be addressed.
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #113 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:34am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 9:32am:
Keep posting the stories that matter imcrookonit. Issues that effect the lower % of earning power need to be addressed.


Do we need several threads on this VERY topic, started by the original poster.

He isnt posting what matters, he is spamming, and is too lazy to go back and find existing threads he started on the topic and bump them with updates.
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #114 - May 5th, 2011 at 10:33am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 9:32am:
Keep posting the stories that matter imcrookonit. Issues that effect the lower % of earning power need to be addressed.



They could always get a job....

People go on about those of us who earn more than average.
Have you ever stopped to think about the costs of living we have as well?
My mortgage in Australia was over $4,000 per month.
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Re: The Private Health Insurance Rebate.
Reply #115 - May 9th, 2011 at 6:42am
 
Means-test to 'stretch hospitals'


THE Gillard government's plans to extract $1.9 billion in savings from health insurance may backfire if they result in increased demands on public hospitals.

NSW and Victoria have warned the government that if its plan to means-test the health insurance rebate created an exodus from private to public hospitals, the states would seek compensation to cover the resulting cost increase.

Their demands follow an industry-commissioned study that found the means test would prompt the flight of 1.6 million people from health insurance over five years, generating an increased caseload of 846,000 patients needing public hospital treatment.


That would swell public hospital costs by about $1 billion a year by 2016, the Deloitte study, based on the results of a survey of 2000, found.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon has rejected the estimates but state health ministers have voiced concerns over the figures.   Smiley

The federal government has estimated that its means test on the 30 per cent rebate on premiums, which would cut in at incomes of $80,000 for singles and $160,000 for couples, would save $1.9 billion over four years.   Sad

NSW Health Minister Jillian Skinner said it would be ''naive to ignore the role that private hospitals and private health insurance play in providing patients with access to timely quality healthcare''.

''NSW would expect the Commonwealth to adequately compensate NSW for any increases in public hospital demand that arise from the Commonwealth's introduction of means testing of the private health insurance rebate,'' Ms Skinner said

Victorian Health Minister David Davis said the withdrawal of the means test would have a dual impact: patients would flood back into public hospitals and the public hospitals would lose the revenue flowing from privately insured patients treated in public hospitals.

Victoria would seek compensation for the results of the unilateral action by the Commonwealth, Mr Davis said.

WA Premier Colin Barnett has said there was no doubt people would pull out of private health insurance and put further stress on our public hospitals.

Ms Roxon said yesterday that the measure would not have a significant negative effect on private health-insurance coverage, premiums or demand on public hospitals.   Wink


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Reply #116 - May 9th, 2011 at 8:47am
 
Equitist wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:57am:
Hmnnn....according to the article, the phone survey was of 2,000 health-insured people - how did they select the respondents and what proportion of them would be affected by the proposed changes...!?

Hello, the proposed changes will only affect the top 10% of income earners - bearing in mind that the associated sticks are bigger than the rebates!



So how did they get 2000 people from the top 10% of income earners to answer the poll?
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Reply #117 - May 9th, 2011 at 9:31am
 


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THE Gillard government's plans to extract $1.9 billion in savings from health insurance may backfire if they result in increased demands on public hospitals.

NSW and Victoria have warned the government that if its plan to means-test the health insurance rebate created an exodus from private to public hospitals, the states would seek compensation to cover the resulting cost increase.

Their demands follow an industry-commissioned study that found the means test would prompt the flight of 1.6 million people from health insurance over five years, generating an increased caseload of 846,000 patients needing public hospital treatment.




These figures aren't adding up - for starters: -

Is it the case that over 50% of the population access privately-insurable hospital services once every 5 years!?

Of the 1.6 million who will purportedly be 'encouraged' to drop private health insurance over 5 years, what proportion of them will be hit with a Medicare Surcharge which exceeds the 30% Private Health Insurance Rebate that they would otherwise receive and what proportion of the remainder would pay for Private Health Insurance regardless!?


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Reply #118 - May 9th, 2011 at 9:34am
 


Please delete wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 8:47am:
Equitist wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:57am:
Hmnnn....according to the article, the phone survey was of 2,000 health-insured people - how did they select the respondents and what proportion of them would be affected by the proposed changes...!?

Hello, the proposed changes will only affect the top 10% of income earners - bearing in mind that the associated sticks are bigger than the rebates!



So how did they get 2000 people from the top 10% of income earners to answer the poll?




I'm not sure that they did - but they appear to be relying upon uninformed and/or misinformed responses from people who wouldn't be affected in any event...
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Reply #119 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm
 
A private Health thread by imcrook.

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A private Health thread by imcrook.

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