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Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard....
Reply #15 - Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 8:38pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:30pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:23pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:53pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:06pm:

Why would you assume I do not own a vehicle?

Because you advocate banning fossil fuel. It is reasonable to assume that if you feel strongly about the use of it you do not use any yourself.

Do you own a vehicle?

No, that is not reasonable.

You advocate that I starve and die in this world where transport is essential.

Yes, I own a vehicle.

No you advocate it. You suggested the banning of fuel.

But to use fossil fuel while advocating its banning seems somewhat hypocritical what?

I don't have much of a choice while the law is the way it is.

The law is hypocritical.

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Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard....
Reply #16 - Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 9:23pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 8:38pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:30pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:23pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:53pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:06pm:

Why would you assume I do not own a vehicle?

Because you advocate banning fossil fuel. It is reasonable to assume that if you feel strongly about the use of it you do not use any yourself.

Do you own a vehicle?

No, that is not reasonable.

You advocate that I starve and die in this world where transport is essential.

Yes, I own a vehicle.

No you advocate it. You suggested the banning of fuel.

But to use fossil fuel while advocating its banning seems somewhat hypocritical what?

I don't have much of a choice while the law is the way it is.

The law is hypocritical.

You can't do your bit unless the law makes you?

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Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard....
Reply #17 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 2:01pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 9:23pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 8:38pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:30pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 9:23pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:53pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2008 at 7:06pm:

Why would you assume I do not own a vehicle?

Because you advocate banning fossil fuel. It is reasonable to assume that if you feel strongly about the use of it you do not use any yourself.

Do you own a vehicle?

No, that is not reasonable.

You advocate that I starve and die in this world where transport is essential.

Yes, I own a vehicle.

No you advocate it. You suggested the banning of fuel.

But to use fossil fuel while advocating its banning seems somewhat hypocritical what?

I don't have much of a choice while the law is the way it is.

The law is hypocritical.

You can't do your bit unless the law makes you?

How do you propose I do my bit?

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard.... Reply #18 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 4:22pm duh....walk, ride, take a bus?
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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard.... Reply #19 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:07pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 2:01pm: How do you propose I do my bit? How would you get around if fuel was outlawed? Do that now.
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Reply #21 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 12:07pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:07pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 2:01pm:

How do you propose I do my bit?

How would you get around if fuel was outlawed?

Do that now.

No, I am forced to compete for food and shelter in a world that requires in a lot of, if not most, cases independant transport to get to work.

I am a plasterer and need a vehicle to carry my gear and allow me to switch from job to job as the need arises.

Don't tell me to suffer whilst the rest can sit back and pretend nothing is wrong.

Something either is or isn't wrong and decisive action must be taken if it is needed.

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Reply #22 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 1:42pm

I'm a plasterer.

Really? I though you might have been a physicist or a highly skilled intellectual.

You want to ban fossil fuels, yet don't want to 'suffer' yourself. Yet you contend that the whole world should suffer along with you and that would be ok?

Let me know how long it takes the ambucyclists to get you when you fall off your ladder while plastering your no longer existent houses

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Reply #23 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 1:59pm

Global warming is an example of an economic failure where the people who are adversely affected cannot enter into the transactions which harm them in any meaningful way. Failing that, expecting people to put up with other people's emissions while making none of their own is simply naive. Not only from an economic perspective (you need a solution that harnesses the power of self interest in the same way the free market does) but also from a more practical perspective because much of the solution will involve infrastructural changes that are outside the sphere of influence of one person.

Also, remember that it is electricity not transport that is responsible for most of our emissions and where it is cheapest to reduce our emissions.

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Reply #24 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:56pm

IQSRLOW wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 1:42pm:

I'm a plasterer.

Really? I though you might have been a physicist or a highly skilled intellectual.

You want to ban fossil fuels, yet don't want to 'suffer' yourself. Yet you contend that the whole world should suffer along with you and that would be ok?

Let me know how long it takes the ambucyclists to get you when you fall off your ladder while plastering your no longer existent houses

What are you tripping on about now?!?

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Reply #25 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 3:00pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 1:59pm:

Global warming is an example of an economic failure where the people who are adversely affected cannot enter into the transactions which harm them in any meaningful way. Failing that, expecting people to put up with other people's emissions while making none of their own is simply naive. Not only from an economic perspective (you need a solution that harnesses the power of self interest in the same way the free market does) but also from a more practical perspective because much of the solution will involve infrastructural changes that are outside the sphere of influence of one person.

Also, remember that it is electricity not transport that is responsible for most of our emissions and where it is cheapest to reduce our emissions.

Fair enough electricity generation is where most of the emissions come from but in calling for electric cars we also call for a greener grid at the same time.

It kills two birds with one stone, sort of.

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Reply #27 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:22pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 12:07pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:07pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 2:01pm:

How do you propose I do my bit?

How would you get around if fuel was outlawed?

Do that now.

No, I am forced to compete for food and shelter in a world that requires in a lot of, if not most, cases independant transport to get to work.

I am a plasterer and need a vehicle to carry my gear and allow me to switch from job to job as the need arises.

Don't tell me to suffer whilst the rest can sit back and pretend nothing is wrong.

Something either is or isn't wrong and decisive action must be taken if it is needed.

I'm not suggesting you suffer - I'm just asking why you advocate everyone do without fuel while you are not willing to do it. Why is that?

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: 50mpg is obviously not that hard.... Reply #28 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:34pm freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 3:06pm: We need to 'pick the low hanging fruit', ie make the cheapest changes first. That means cleaner electricity first, then electric cars. True. Surely we can feign ignorance, though, if it helps us achieve exactly that!?! We have to start thinking on our toes!
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Reply #29 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:36pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:22pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 12:07pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:07pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 2:01pm:

How do you propose I do my bit?

How would you get around if fuel was outlawed?

Do that now.

No, I am forced to compete for food and shelter in a world that requires in a lot of, if not most, cases independant transport to get to work.

I am a plasterer and need a vehicle to carry my gear and allow me to switch from job to job as the need arises.

Don't tell me to suffer whilst the rest can sit back and pretend nothing is wrong.

Something either is or isn't wrong and decisive action must be taken if it is needed.

I'm not suggesting you suffer - I'm just asking why you advocate everyone do without fuel while you are not willing to do it. Why is that?

I am, but what does it solve if only one person does it?

Nothing, so get real.

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