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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #255 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:30pm freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:26pm: This is absurd Oceans: Quote: 99% gay men became gays when they were raped by other gays at early age of their lives athos said that....I concurred with the generality of what he said.
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Reply #256 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:34pm

The generality? I asked you specifically about that claim. Not that the rest is much better.

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 2:41pm:

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99% gay men became gays when they were raped by other gays at early age of their lives

You actually agree with that Oceans?

Yes.

But it would be hard to quote actual percentages of gay men who become gay due to prior abuse in childhood- but would have to be a definite determing factor if in fact they were abused and later on became or turned out to be gay.

Data is not that reliable anyway.

I know someone who this happend to and thats all I want to say .

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Reply #257 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:39pm

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:34pm:

The generality? I asked you specifically about that claim. Not that the rest is much better.

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 2:41pm:

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99% gay men became gays when they were raped by other gays at early age of their lives

You actually agree with that Oceans?

Yes.

But it would be hard to quote actual percentages of gay men who become gay due to prior abuse in childhood- but would have to be a definite determing factor if in fact they were abused and later on became or turned out to be gay.

Data is not that reliable anyway.

I know someone who this happend to and thats all I want to say .

So you dont like my post FD Roll Eyes

..and as for the claim you would still have to ask athos..he "claimed" it not me.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #258 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:47pm Do you agree with the claim?
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #259 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:56pm oceanZ, whilst I agree, although I have no evidence or statistics, that there are more gay pedos than straight, and gay men will go after the youngies, that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the argument that pedophilia makes someone gay. It doesn't. Otherwise there would be no straight victims of rape/man-boy love.
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Reply #260 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:58pm

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:47pm:

Do you agree with the claim?

99% would be high... realistically it would not be that high..

What do you believe the percentage would be?

Btw Im not and never was saying FD that homosexuals are not inherently orientated towards members of the same sex..Im saying that some homosexuals think they are because of traumas suffered as children...

I don't find that claim to be absurd at all.

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Reply #261 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:06pm

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oceanZ, whilst I agree, although I have no evidence or statistics, that there are more gay pedos than straight, and gay men will go after the youngies, that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the argument that pedophilia makes someone gay.

I never said this easel..you did..but its good we can clear that up at least

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Otherwise there would be no straight victims of rape/man-boy love.

true.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #262 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:08pm If it does happen at all it would be well below 1%. Certainly not the majority that it was made out to be. You always get the odd wierd one, but it is not the norm.
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #263 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:12pm freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:08pm: If it does happen at all it would be well below 1%. Certainly not the majority that it was made out to be. You always get the odd wierd one, but it is not the norm. It would be higher than one percent I think you would find. Can you back that up FD..such a spurious claim 1%.
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Reply #264 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:13pm

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:06pm:

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oceanZ, whilst I agree, although I have no evidence or statistics, that there are more gay pedos than straight, and gay men will go after the youngies, that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the argument that pedophilia makes someone gay.

I never said this easel..you did..but its good we can clear that up at least

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Otherwise there would be no straight victims of rape/man-boy love.

true.

Ok, that is a quote from you. Now, this is also a quote from you:

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:22pm:

easel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:07pm:

You can't turn gay from rape. It's innate.
There are plenty of child sex victims who do not become gay.

Maybe some of the victims of gay pedophiles make themselves attractive targets because they already behave gay, ie, 'you have nice muscles', etc etc etc. Or maybe not.

[i]Gay is gay is gay. There are straight people who have been homosexually abused. Just as there are gay people.

I never mentioned rape, you did..abuse can be violent or the abuser can , does and will present his abuse as a form of love..to confuse the victim..better a willing victim than a frightened angry one.

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Gay is gay is gay. There are straight people who have been homosexually abused. Just as there are gay people

can you back that up?

easel to queer..
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Tell me, why is it that the vast majority of gay men over say, 35, crave young men with boyish looks and hairless bodies

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you seem to have changed your tune easel..you believed further back in this thread that gay men targetted young boys and now you say that those young boys must be displaying homosexual tendencies..

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #265 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:15pm I don't think it would be prevalent enough for there to be any meaningful statistics on. If there was any kind of significant causation we would know about it by now. You and athos are the ones making absurd claims and rejecting well established knowledge.
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Reply #266 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:36pm

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I don't think it would be prevalent enough for there to be any meaningful statistics on

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You dont think?, so you mean you dont know?

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If there was any kind of significant causation we would know about it by now.

Maybe there is FD..I have'nt looked have you?
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You and athos are the ones making absurd claims and rejecting well established knowledge

Athos made the claim..I agreed in a general sense...Thats the 3rd or 4th time I've said that FD.

And how could you call it "absurd" if you really don't know? A minor point considering you have'nt provided any proof to the contrary

( not that I believe 99% to be accurate anyway)

Read what I say and not what you think I said.

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Reply #267 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:39pm

easel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:13pm:

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:06pm:

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oceanZ, whilst I agree, although I have no evidence or statistics, that there are more gay pedos than straight, and gay men will go after the youngies, that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the argument that pedophilia makes someone gay.

I never said this easel..you did..but its good we can clear that up at least

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Otherwise there would be no straight victims of rape/man-boy love.

true.

Ok, that is a quote from you. Now, this is also a quote from you:

oceanz wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:22pm:

easel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 3:07pm:

You can't turn gay from rape. It's innate.
There are plenty of child sex victims who do not become gay.

Maybe some of the victims of gay pedophiles make themselves attractive targets because they already behave gay, ie, 'you have nice muscles', etc etc etc. Or maybe not.

[i]Gay is gay is gay. There are straight people who have been homosexually abused. Just as there are gay people.

I never mentioned rape, you did..abuse can be violent or the abuser can , does and will present his abuse as a form of love..to confuse the victim..better a willing victim than a frightened angry one.

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Gay is gay is gay. There are straight people who have been homosexually abused. Just as there are gay people

can you back that up?

I was trying to get you to clarify your claim easel, not calling you a liar- is this the point you were trying to make?

easel to queer..
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Tell me, why is it that the vast majority of gay men over say, 35, crave young men with boyish looks and hairless bodies

?

you seem to have changed your tune easel..you believed further back in this thread that gay men targetted young boys and now you say that those young boys must be displaying homosexual tendencies..

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Gay marriage and children Reply #268 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:45pm And how could you call it "absurd" if you really don't know? But I do know Oceans. I'm just not going to go out of my way to prove something that is already common knowledge.
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Reply #269 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:51pm

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 4:45pm:

And how could you call it "absurd" if you really don't know?

But I do know Oceans. I'm just not going to go out of my way to prove something that is already common knowledge[/b].

I dont care either way..but your the one making a meal out of it FD..

If you know you need to prove it or shut up basically. I dont know why you bothered to go this far if your not prepared to nail it and or prove athos and I wrong.

What was the point?

If your not prepared to prove your point you cant invalidate mine..end of story.

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