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Aug 17th, 2007 at 2:59pm
 
I believe its not possible to be a christian and display intolerence to other races.

If we are following and honoring Gods word then we must respect Gods teachings..that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL.

This means black and white red yellow etc. If God created mankind then I find it very difficult to understand that those that call themselves Christians can hate Muslims and black pple etc and still call themselves a christian.

This in itself is a monumental hypocrisy.

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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:32pm
 
About time you had a go at christians, oceans. You've been lax, to say the least !!
I expect FAR more from you than this.

Good on you, way to go.

What if those muslims/black people intend us harm, should we tolerate that ?
Should we tolerate japanese invading aussie during WWII, or germany invading germany in WWII and WWI ??

I don't mind muslims, it's their false belief I dislike.
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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:37pm
 
What if those muslims/black people intend us harm, should we tolerate that ?

If they intend you harm, then you are not acting on the basis of their race, unless you try to build your case of intent on their race. If they intend you harm, you should approach the situation no differently to if a white person intended you harm.
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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:38pm
 
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What if those muslims/black people intend us harm, should we tolerate that ?
Should we tolerate japanese invading aussie during WWII, or germany invading germany in WWII and WWI
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No excuse..you are either a christain or your not..

Christians are supposed to forgive.



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I don't mind muslims, it's their false belief I dislike.


they think your beliefs are false.
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:40pm
 
yes, if there was a rampant belief in NSW that QLD was to be dominated, I'ld be pretty antiNSW.
As it is, they are ok with us QLDers.

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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:45pm
 
Forgive, yes.
Not roll over and be a softie to anyone who wants to overrun us.
How long would a country last with that ethic ?

Would you have preferred it if Aussie gave into japan or germany ?

Forgiveness generally follows repentance.
If someone attacks, then stops, apologises, goes back. Theyhave repented. Time for us to forgive.
If they attack and start murdering, not time for us to forgive. Time to defend our freedom and life.


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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 17th, 2007 at 3:45pm:
Forgive, yes.
Not roll over and be a softie to anyone who wants to overrun us.
How long would a country last with that ethic ?

Would you have preferred it if Aussie gave into japan or germany ?

Forgiveness generally follows repentance.
If someone attacks, then stops, apologises, goes back. Theyhave repented. Time for us to forgive.
If they attack and start murdering, not time for us to forgive. Time to defend our freedom and life.


Interesting to see that you have ignored the verse "turn the other cheek".

Interesting that Jesus had the attitude of "turn the other cheek", even though his enemies didn't stop attacking, which ultimately led to his crucifiction.

what u have stated above, has no place in christian teachings. and even if there was a verse to support ur opinion, that would still be a contradiction of the "turn the other cheek" verse.
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 4:02pm
 
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Interesting to see that you have ignored the verse "turn the other cheek".

Interesting that Jesus had the attitude of "turn the other cheek", even though his enemies didn't stop attacking, which ultimately led to his crucifiction. 

what u have stated above, has no place in christian teachings. and even if there was a verse to support ur opinion, that would still be a contradiction of the "turn the other cheek" verse.
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That is very interesting..

This is what Christians are supposed to do.

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Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 4:14pm
 
Turning the other cheek is for a slap. Not for a murderer or being overun.

Jesus had a different agenda to me. I'm not Jesus.

How is this for a supportive quote or two
"All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."
Matthew 10:22

"A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
      In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth.
      In his law the islands will put their hope."

Isiah 42:3,4


What do you think christians are meant to be ?
A bunch of wimpering apologetics ?


"I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God.
Luke 12:8,9

We are mean to be out there. wearing crosses, giving thanks before every meal wherever we eat.
Protecting the vulnerable.


People like this :  Estimates of the death toll varied from 175 to 500.

"Their aim is to annihilate us, to create trouble and kill all the Yazidis because we are not Muslims," said Abu Saeed, a grey-bearded old man in Kahtaniya.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10458327


End rant. Thanks gavin and oceans. God bless you both  Wink
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Reply #9 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 4:21pm
 
I think you are getting off topic a bit. This was about tolerance of people of different races. It has nothing to do with how you respond to real threats. Sprint kept on equating people of different race with threats and you all fell for it and switched to discussing how you respond to threats as if it were somehow relevant.
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Reply #10 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 4:24pm
 
You are quite right FD..he does it all the time so he may now turn this into a race debate..

Here sprint another one of your red herrings..an off topic random Bible verse



Isaiah 40:26


   
26Lift up your eyes on high and see! Who has created these? He Who brings out their host by number and calls them all by name; through the greatness of His might and because He is strong in power, not one is missing or lacks anything.
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2007 at 1:34pm
 
i'm quite lost on what you mean freediver . aaah, I think I see.

thought  the   "then I find it very difficult to understand that those that call themselves Christians can hate Muslims and black pple etc and still call themselves a christian. " query was reasonably answered by :
"What if those muslims/black people intend us harm, should we tolerate that ?
Should we tolerate japanese invading aussie during WWII, or germany invading germany in WWII and WWI ?? "    and     "there was a rampant belief in NSW that QLD was to be dominated, I'ld be pretty antiNSW. As it is, they are ok with us QLDers.  "

christians live ok with every other belief system.

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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:31am
 
Every society since prehistory has had religion. We may think we can abandon religion, but we only create a vacuum. A ‘religion-free’ mindset rejects the concept that God knows our thoughts etc and so we are more open to embrace self-indulgent and self-evident lies. If no one can monitor our inner thoughts, what’s the harm in accepting a falsehood if it is seemingly in our interests to do so? Those lies are now piling up and consequently, we are on the precipice of western decline.

The great liberator William Wilberforce noted, ‘By all who are studious of their country’s welfare, every effort should be used to revive the Christianity of our better days.’

Christianity has been Western Civilisation’s most fundamental ingredient and Western Civilisation has been a darn good thing. We would be foolish to abandon the great faith of our ancestors. Its impact has been so positive its fundamental veracity should not be entirely dismissed.

Bring back Christianity.

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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2022 at 12:42pm
 
oceanz wrote on Aug 17th, 2007 at 2:59pm:
I believe its not possible to be a christian and display intolerence to other races.

If we are following and honoring Gods word then we must respect Gods teachings..that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL.

This means black and white red yellow etc. If God created mankind then I find it very difficult to understand that those that call themselves Christians can hate Muslims and black pple etc and still call themselves a christian.

This in itself is a monumental hypocrisy.


Last night, I read a chapter on the American Revolution. The details of the history of explorers having fought against the Native Americans were followed by stories of missionaries who sought to Christianise the heathen survivors. Surely that is evidence that the Christians (I bet most of the explorers were Christian) were intolerant to other races.
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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2022 at 2:09pm
 
The teachings of Jesus are interesting, he was born to 
a very tribal religion, an us or them religion, which Islam turned into hyper them or us religion but Jesus tempers all that.

Most of the thoughts in the Synoptic Gospels, more so in the Book of Thomas which was rejected at the Council of Nicea, are about how to cultivate the Kingdom of God in one's very own heart.
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