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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #15 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 4:47pm
 
In the Jared Diamond book I am reading he says neither. I think from memory the current belief is that humans started out somewhere in central asia, spread south and east through asia and the pacific, to Australia and then to Africa. If I recall correctly anyway.

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Reply #17 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 4:51pm
 
The TV show I saw yesterday (which I suspect DT saw also), claimed to have DNA evidence that the people who settled Eruope, a lot of Asia and the Americas all went via central Asia, but came originally out of Africa.
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Reply #18 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 5:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2007 at 4:51pm:
The TV show I saw yesterday (which I suspect DT saw also), claimed to have DNA evidence that the people who settled Eruope, a lot of Asia and the Americas all went via central Asia, but came originally out of Africa.



I saw SBS doco that gave very good evidence that the first life started in Africa
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #19 - Jun 30th, 2007 at 3:08am
 
zoso wrote on Jun 28th, 2007 at 4:47pm:
In the Jared Diamond book I am reading he says neither. I think from memory the current belief is that humans started out somewhere in central asia, spread south and east through asia and the pacific, to Australia and then to Africa. If I recall correctly anyway.


All good. I never said I believed the theory... just thought it should be investigated further and share it around to see what other people thought.

I know sounds dumb... but Aboriginals just seem to fit the bill of being the 'first humans.' And it's a romantic notion (No...   not that kind of romantic) to suggest that humans came originally from this land called Australia.

Who's Jared Diamond?   Undecided Sounds like Neil Diamond's brother.


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Suck sh!t Trump first humans were arabs Wink


Answer to that: No wonder their brains are so primitive.  Cool


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(that was a joke by the way)


All good. I have a grasp of how you talk/type now. Feel free to slander.  Wink


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The TV show I saw yesterday (which I suspect DT saw also)


Nah... didn't see it.

The original place I saw it was when I watched a doco on SBS about 5 years ago where the Nazis sent an expedition to the Himilayas to find the origin of the 'superior race.' They for some reason thought the people of the Himilayas were their ancestors.


At first... I was thinking... man... those guys were nuts back then...

But I've been reading recently about the origins of Europe and where they come from ... and it appears that we may have come out of the Himilayas after all. We were called... get this... Aryans.  Tongue I guess that might have been where Hitler got his word from. No, I'm not reading a Nazi book, I'm reading about the history of India... and apparently... most European languages are very similar in tongue to various Indian dialects... more similar than that of Arabic and African. The Aryans were nomadic people living around north west India I think.

I've seen a pic of a mummy of an Indian from about 3000 years ago... and it looks like it has European features... so yeah... big mystery. It's very hard to detect these nomad people also becasue they're just that... nomadic. -Hard to find.


Anyway... I hate tangents so let's stick to the topic... Aboriginals and Africans.
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #20 - Jun 30th, 2007 at 9:05am
 
I think you'd like Jared Diamond DT. His books are very easy to read, and he covers topics like why Europeans gained such superiority over the world. You may not like his answers though. 'Guns, Germs and Steel' is probably the best one to start with. Any library should have it.
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #21 - Jun 30th, 2007 at 11:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2007 at 9:05am:
I think you'd like Jared Diamond DT. His books are very easy to read, and he covers topics like why Europeans gained such superiority over the world. You may not like his answers though. 'Guns, Germs and Steel' is probably the best one to start with. Any library should have it.


Hmm sounds good. Might gve it a look.... one day.

The best books are usually the ones which are easiest to read. The complicated ones are generally people who are just trying to sound smart with their 'big words.' It's an essay technique and unnecessary.
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oceanz wrote on Jun 28th, 2007 at 4:14pm:
African Archaeology
The Search for the Beginnings of Humankind


About 3.6 million years ago, three early hominids were walking across the plains of what is now known as Laetoli in East Africa when the volcano Sadiman erupted, showering the earth with ashes. A light rain was falling at the same time, and as the hominids continued to walk, each footprint they made was cast into the mixture of muddy ash. When the impressions later dried, the result was two rows of footprints; apparently, two of the hominids walked side by side, the third, perhaps a juvenile, trailed behind the one on the right, stepping in the footprints of his predecessor.

Three and a half million years later, these footprints were to be found by Mary Leakey and her team of archaeologists. The incredible find, however, is more than just an important archaeological discovery, although it is certainly that. The finding of actual footprints from humankind's ancient ancestors represents the true grandeur of the archaeological bounty to be found in Africa, as well as how far the archaeology of human evolution has come. Only fifty years before the footprint find of 1978, very few scientists believed humans had originated in Africa. Practically ignoring Raymond Dart's Taung Baby from South Africa, attention on the search for the earliest humans was focused on China, where the Peking Man skull was found. Scientists such as Sir Arthur Keith, who wrote The Antiquity of Man in 1915, had a great impact on this mal-focusing of attention, arguing that of the major fossil discoveries at the time, the Neanderthal, Peking Man, and Java Man, represented various species of human that existed in ancient times, with the Piltdown man being the true precursor of modern humans (Interestingly, forty years later the Piltdown man turned out to be a hoax which brought together a five-hundred year old human skullcap with the lower jaw and incisors of an orangutan).

What changed all this? Beginning with the extraordinary finds of Louis and Mary Leakey at Olduvai Gorge from the 1930s on, such a wealth of fossils has been found in Africa (especially East Africa) that it became the obvious "cradle" of human life. Over the years, many extraordinary finds have been made (including a great number of species of hominids and other animals), and with each discovery some theories as to the classification of certain fossils are toppled while others have been bolstered. Many scholarly battles have been waged over these classifications, yet after all these years the hierarchy of human evolution is still as contentious as ever.

Although the debates about the true relationships of the hominid fossil discoveries to date will likely not be resolved any time soon, there are three main theories of the evolutionary tree of humans and a much greater number of theories on the actual classification of the fossils with regard to this evolutionary tree. This site explores these theories, as well as the evidence on which the theories are based.


http://www.utexas.edu/courses/wilson/ant304/projects/projects97/weimanp/weimanp....




I saw a doco on SBS a while back that supports this theory, that humans first began in Africa..as they spread across the world occupying different continents..due to climate extremes , theyre skin colours(pigmnets) changed..all balck pple came from the hot pllces and white pple lived in cold climates..

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Vitamin D levels can be low despite sun
Reply #23 - Jul 1st, 2007 at 5:15pm
 
It's related to the amount of direct sunlight you are exposed to. The darker your skin, the more light you block out so the less likely you are to get burned or get skin cancer. However, you need some to get through to help your body make a vitamin (D I think). So it is a trade off. White people living on the equator get skin cancer. Black people living in the north or south get vitamin D deficiency, more depression etc.



http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Vitamin-D-levels-can-be-low-despite-sun/2007/07/02/1183229000875.html

In many people, vitamin D levels can remain low despite abundant exposure to sunlight, research shows.

Inadequate sun exposure is often blamed for the high prevalence of low vitamin D status, the authors explain, but the truth of this has been unclear.

"This implies that the common clinical recommendation to allow sun exposure to the hands and face for 15 minutes may not ensure vitamin D sufficiency," Binkley and colleagues report.
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #24 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 1:30pm
 
Doesn't take a genius to work out that climate and sun exposure effects skin colour. I worked that out when I was in high school.


In case everyone is wondering... no... white people in Australia aren't going to turn brown in a couple of thousand years... unless our living conditions are seriously changed (Ie. We start spending more time outdoors).

Ain't gonna happen.
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Reply #25 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 1:53pm
 
It doesn't take a few thousand years, just a couple of months.
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #26 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 1:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2007 at 1:53pm:
It doesn't take a few thousand years, just a couple of months.


I logged back on briefly to let you know that was an idiotic reply, freediver. With all due respect.
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Gingers extinct in 100 years, say scientists
Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 4:17pm
 
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22289183-2,00.html

REDHEADS are becoming rarer and could be extinct in 100 years, according to genetic scientists.

The current National Geographic magazine reports that less than two per cent of the world's population has natural red hair, created by a mutation in northern Europe thousands of years ago.

Global intermingling, which broadens the availability of possible partners, has reduced the chances of redheads meeting and producing little redheads of their own.

It takes only one red-haired parent to produce ginger-headed babies, but two redheads obviously create a much stronger possibility.

If the gingers really want to save themselves they should move to Scotland.

An estimated 40 per cent of Scots carry the red gene and 13 per cent actually have red hair.

Some experts say that redheads could be gone as early as 2060, but others say the gene can be dormant for generations before returning.

National Geographic says the gene at first had the beneficial effect of increasing the body's ability to make vitamin D from sunlight.

However, today's carriers are more prone to skin cancer and have a higher sensitivity to heat and cold-related pain.
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Re: Gingers extinct in 100 years, say scientists
Reply #28 - Sep 3rd, 2007 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 4:17pm:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22289183-2,00.html

REDHEADS are becoming rarer and could be extinct in 100 years, according to genetic scientists.

The current National Geographic magazine reports that less than two per cent of the world's population has natural red hair, created by a mutation in northern Europe thousands of years ago.

Global intermingling, which broadens the availability of possible partners, has reduced the chances of redheads meeting and producing little redheads of their own.

It takes only one red-haired parent to produce ginger-headed babies, but two redheads obviously create a much stronger possibility.

If the gingers really want to save themselves they should move to Scotland.

An estimated 40 per cent of Scots carry the red gene and 13 per cent actually have red hair.

Some experts say that redheads could be gone as early as 2060, but others say the gene can be dormant for generations before returning.

National Geographic says the gene at first had the beneficial effect of increasing the body's ability to make vitamin D from sunlight.

However, today's carriers are more prone to skin cancer and have a higher sensitivity to heat and cold-related pain.


I like red haired people as I pointed out in the supremacist thread. IF it's true... this would be tragic. The equivalent of losing a breed of dogs.
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Re: Did humans originate from Australia or Africa?
Reply #29 - Sep 3rd, 2007 at 1:14pm
 
The more I think about it, the more I doubt it. There would be more red haired people alive now than have ever existed in human history. Races do not mix that evenly. Most people now in Scottland for example would have been born there and would be likely to marry a local.
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