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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41788 Gender:	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #75 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:01pm gavin - to repeat myself. islam is extremism. Extremism is undemocratic byu its definitition. Anyone voting otherwise (if they can) under muslim control will get a short shift, at best. read the koran, tell me what it tells you. yes, it IS about sheep stations !
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Reply #76 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:01pm:

gavin - to repeat myself.
islam is extremism. Extremism is undemocratic byu its definitition.

that's the thing sprintcyclist, the Islamic party wouldn't be the only party running in a democratic election.

take the recent elections in Palestinan, it was Fatah (a secular party) vs Hamas (an Islamic party). there is no evidence to suggest that the election was rigged and that indicates that the election was won fair & square by Hamas - i.e. the Palestinan people want Hamas to govern.

so the Islamic party (Hamas) won the democratic election. their policies and whether we disagree with them is irrelevant to the election process.

Got it??

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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #77 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:09pm You are right Gavin, and what it does prove is that muslims are violent crazies if they elected hamas.
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Gavin Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 304 Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #78 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:12pm Ausnat wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:09pm: You are right Gavin, and what it does prove is that muslims are violent crazies if they elected hamas. not necessarily, Fatah has developed a reputation for being corrupt, so the people elected for the only other option - which was Hamas.
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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #79 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:15pm Ah so just like here. two parties. Thats why howard was elected in 1996? Labour corrupt!
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Reply #80 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:20pm

Ausnat wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:54pm:

Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:53pm:

i think democracy is crap

just everything else is worse

So what is your solution?

I know it sounds stupid... but I think voting should be handi-capped.

Sure... the working class idiot should get one vote... but when an academic or someone with a certain education gets a vote.... their vote should count for ten people...

Namely... me. Tongue

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #81 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:31pm Wasn't it you saying the universities were full of communists?
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #82 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:38pm I thought they were full of socialists
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #83 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:43pm IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:38pm: I thought they were full of socialists would you like to expand
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: hamas and fatah Reply #84 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:48pm oceanz wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:43pm: IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:38pm: I thought they were full of socialists would you like to expand I thought the difference between communism and socialism would be easy for you to google...apparently not
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Reply #85 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:55pm

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:48pm:

oceanz wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:43pm:

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:38pm:

I thought they were full of socialists Cheesy

would you like to expand Cheesy

I thought the difference between communism and socialism would be easy for you to google...apparently not Roll Eyes

No-- I wanted you too explain it to me Cheesy

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Reply #86 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:31pm:

Wasn't it you saying the universities were full of communists?

I never said students at unis were commies... just the teachers and the heads of school. I think communism has died among the student body. For example... the socialist alternative is losing elections and members... but are still championed by the tutors and lecturers of the school.

Another good example is this... once in a lecture... the lecturer asked all marxists to raise their hands...

One student raised their hand. Tongue

The teacher looked annoyed and said... "about two to three decades ago almost all of you would have raised your hands."

So yeah... communism is dying on the campuses among the students... me thinks.

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Reply #87 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 9:04pm

It's still a really bad idea. Those teachers and heads of school are the ones you want to give extra votes too. One thing you would definitely end up with is a massive increase in university funding.

Votes should be weighted in their worth

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1179755025

Is democracy over-rated?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1171523780

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Reply #88 - Jun 17^th, 2007 at 10:33pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 8:20pm:

Ausnat wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:54pm:

Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:53pm:

i think democracy is crap

just everything else is worse

So what is your solution?

I know it sounds stupid... but I think voting should be handi-capped.

Sure... the working class idiot should get one vote... but when an academic or someone with a certain education gets a vote.... their vote should count for ten people...

Namely... me. Tongue

they tried this in a way in northern Ireland previously.

business owners votes were worth more than non business owners. and if you did own a business your wife could also vote whilst those women not married to businessmen could not vote.

most businessmen in northern ireland were protestant, thus the government voted in was protestant even though the majority of the population was catholic.

as you can see giving some votes more worth than others is agaisnt democracy itself.

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Reply #89 - Jun 18^th, 2007 at 12:19pm

gavin

"The so-called quartet of international mediators for Middle East peace - the US, EU, UN and Russia - have offered their "full support" to Abbas.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat, in an interview with CNN, said he was saddened by the Hamas ransacking of the Palestinian president's Gaza City residence and trampling of portraits of the late leader Yasser Arafat."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/abbas-swears-in-new-cabinet/2007/06/18/1182018966292.html?page=2

Their policy is, they will murder us. Get it ?

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