They lost sovereignty, not presence, they never actually disappered from Israel.

Honestly abu_rashid
I would say that "you're not even worth bothering to try and reason with."
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10^th, 2010 at 10:46pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 6:05am:



Woof, woof - unclean, unclean.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10^th, 2010 at 6:32pm:


Ahh but they were Nabataeans, not Arabs per se.....

All those groups in that era were related in a way, but that also applies to the Israelites too.

The Ghassanids and the Nabataeans were traders and merchants......which doesn't mean they were the whole population of the cites in question, anymore than having Afghani camel drivers in the Outback made Australia an Afghan nation...

They were resident 'aliens'...they may have even been citizens ( Judea and Israel were pretty cosmopolitan at the time) but having 200-500 people living there doesn't negate the ethnicity of the country...

And of course as you said, "A less than 2% minority is hardly a noteworthy presence"....

Soren,

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They are? How so?

Occupied-Palestine has a population of about 11.8 million people. About 6 million of them are Arabs. The Arabs still have the slight majority, even after the last 8 or so decades of population saturation by illicit Zionist migration waves.

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Ummm... perhaps the fact it's their land which has been stolen from them?


gizmo,

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Kinda like saying the Israelites weren't Judeans (Jews) isn't it? The Nabataeans were indeed Arabs, they were the inventors of the Arabic alphabet and they were known as Arabs and their language was Arabic, their names Arabic, hence the re-naming of their kingdom to the province of Arabia during the Roman conquest.

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Yes all were Semites, and were probably originally bedouin-like nomadic 'Arabic' peoples prior to settling down and forming kingdoms. Either way, the Nabataeans were still Arabs, and not just any old Arabs, but the creators of the Arabic alphabet no less.

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This is unhistorical garbage. The Nabataean kingdom lasted for quite a few centuries and consisted of much of the land that is today claimed by the Zionist entity as theirs. The idea it was just made up of a couple of hundred of individual merchants who were foreigners in the land is pure delusion.

Here's some maps of the Nabataean kingdom and the breakaway Palmyrene empire, both of them Arabic:















Roman Levant 63 B.C.E (too big to post)

Roman Levant 44 B.C.E (too big to post)

Roman Levant 200 C.E (too big to post)

Roman Levant 400 C.E (too big to post)

Quite clearly there was an Arabic Nabataean kingdom in the Levant, which predated the Romans, and certainly predated the arrival of the Muslims by more than half a millenium, or probably more than a millenium as Assyrian sources first mention them in the 7th. century B.C.E. And most likely they first began to inhabit the former land of the Edomites, when the Edomites moved north to fill the area cleared about by the Babylonian invasion of Judea.

In fact in some of the books of the OT, the Nabataean Arabs are mentioned, and they are called a kingdom. So much for your 200-500 individual merchants...

At the last, having been shut up by Aretas, the king of the Arabians, in order for his destruction, flying from city to city, hated by all men, as a forsaker of the laws and execrable, as an enemy of his country and countrymen, he was thrust out into Egypt (II Maccabees 5:8)

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 8:19pm:



The point is that there is no valid claim to sovereignty by 'palestinians'. In the sense of 'people who live in the area that is/was commonly called Palestine', jews are palestinians.

This is not the sense you or I or 'palestinians' used the term. Yet the 'palestinians' have no other claim than being people who have lived in the area that is/was called Palestine. That alone doesn't make them a sovereign people.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 9:20pm:



Today, the sovereign nation state is the onlly, ONLY context. Those empires are gone. They do not exist. They are no more.

The British Empire and the French Empire ruled over North Africa and the Middle East.  They cannot make a claim to those territoroes any more than the Arab/Muslim Empires before them. None of them exist.

Israel exists. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon exist.

It is stupid in the extreme to argue that whatever exists is moot and what really matters is only what no longer exists. Unsurprisingly, you make this very argument your own.