Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 5:49pm:


why are u referring to world domination??

if ur referring the US and it allies, then yeah our goal is to spread democracy, but it's not to dominate the world.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 6:15pm:



yeah, we would bring democracy to the muslim countries as well.
so if an Islamic party in a muslim populated country gets elected by the people, then that's democracy.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 6:31pm:


if the people in an Islamic country vote in a democratic election, then the elected party should be able to govern - since they were selected by the people.

whether we agree or disagree about Islamic parties policies, that is irrelevant.
people get who they voted for.

that's democracy. u know that.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 6:42pm:


It is. But for how much longer?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 6:57pm:


yeah, if ur referring to muslim countries now, but our job isn't finished yet - we haven't got them to a stage where they have democratic elections.

bottom line, if democracy is established in the Middle East, then it has to be real democracy, i.e. parties that are voted by the people must be given the right to govern - and that's regardless of whether we agree or disagree with the elected parties policies.

Here is muslim for you gavin


http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Jail-for-r@pist-who-attacked-Muslim/2007/06/15/1181414536623.html

A man who r@ped a Muslim woman because she showed an interest in Christianity has been jailed for at least five years by a Sydney court.

As Abdul Reda Al-Shawany was sentenced on Friday, the Downing Centre District Court heard a harrowing statement from the victim, revealing that her shame and fear had been compounded by her cultural background.

The woman, who cannot be named, arrived in Australia as a refugee from Iraq.

But she said that even when she was jailed by dictator Saddam Hussein, she never feared for her life the way she did after the r@pe.

"It is better if I'm dead," she told the court.

In September 2002, Al-Shawany lured the woman to a unit at Warwick Farm, claiming to have news about her family in Iraq.

She was hit on the head and had her hijab tied around her face before Al-Shawany r@ped her twice in what Judge Brian Knox described as a degrading, humiliating and brutal attack.

Afterwards Al-Shawany told her: "Let your Christ benefit you now."

It took the jury less than half an hour to convict him of two counts of sexual intercourse without consent.

His victim - who has since converted to Christianity - wept at the back of the court as a friend read out her victim impact statement.

She said she was afraid she would be killed, either in retribution by Al-Shawany's family or in an "honour killing".

"In Iraq, if some woman has got a problem like this, her husband can kill her, or her brother or her uncle can kill her, without question," the victim wrote.

"They can kill me here too in Australia. "


What do all the muslim defenders say about this ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2007 at 7:03pm:


sprintcyclist, that's besides the point - democracy is about having the people decide who governs the country. do u agree with that?

so if an Islamic party is elected by the people, then that party should be given the right to govern.
that's democracy.

I disagree entirely gavin.
That is entirely the point.
If people who run the country have instilled that as their belief, there is no free election.

There is no democracy under exremism. That is the point of extemism. That IS extremism.
That is what mohammad said. That is the koran.