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Reply #555 - Oct 13th, 2010 at 5:24pm
 
Yeah, you'd better watch out!! The rabbis are coming to burn down your embassy!!!


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Reply #556 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:43am
 
They are not so open, frank and emotional as Muslims are, they are much more cold, calculated and cunning at what they do when it comes to such things. They will whip you from behind, and you'll be so deluded you won't even know it until long after it's done. In fact you'll probably explain it away for them  Grin
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Reply #557 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:49am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:43am:
They are not so open, frank and emotional as Muslims are


We should be grateful to the Muslims - so honest, so open and frank with their beheadings, bombings, mutilations and all- round death-wish.
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Reply #558 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:26pm
 
Precisely.

Better than the snake in the grass you've hedged your bets with.
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Reply #559 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:54pm
 
WHat the evil Wstern media don't want you to know:

MIDEAST: GAZA; ISRAEL AUTHORISES CAR IMPORTS, HAMAS WORRIED
26 October , 12:58

GAZA, OCTOBER 26 - Initially they breathed a sigh of relief, but the sensation quickly turned into worries. When last month Israel authorised the introduction of brand new automobiles into the Gaza Strip, people were very happy. But now the Hamas Interior Minister warned that those vehicles could be an updated version of the Trojan Horse. According to unconfirmed news, a bug installed by Israel secret services was found in one of the cars. It was enough for a spokesperson for the Interior Ministry to immediately issue a warning to the military heads of Hamas to not travel in any of the cars that have arrived from Israel. Before the vehicles can be used, the vehicles will have to undergo a thorough inspection by Hamas security experts. Sources in the press added that Israel has allowed for 240 cars per month to enter into the Strip, including various models (but not all-terrain vehicles). For now Hyundais and Volkswagen-Golfs can be seen on the streets of the Gaza Strip. Several residents have already reserved new luxury BMW models. The used car market immediately reacted to these developments and in the last month, prices have abruptly been cut in half. (ANSAmed).


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Reply #560 - Nov 9th, 2010 at 8:14pm
 
the Palestinians are Arabs,correct ?
why are they after land which has belonged to Israeli people for thousands of years ?
the Arabs control so much land and so many countries,why can't the Palestinians go to other Arab countries and stop creating this trouble in the Middle East?
and this idea that Palestinians are ruled by two separate factions,simply means if the current situation continues there will never be peace.
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Reply #561 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 12:37am
 
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why are they after land which has belonged to Israeli people for thousands of years ?


The Jews have spent more time out of Palestine than in it. And both Jewish kingdoms ruled over Palestine less time combined than the Caliphate so far did.... So where you get this idea from is beyond me.

Actually read the history have you? Appears not.

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Largely, correct. And Arab history in Palestine spans a period of about 2500+ years, over twice that of Jewish history there.
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Reply #562 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 1:23am
 
i see you are a muslim.
this would explain why your comments  are biased on this issue.

i am neither jewish nor muslim,so i have a more objective view of things.

the fact that you claim that the Jews were outside of the region of Israel more than the Arabs,doesn't detract from their claim to the region.historically,they have the right to claim the land which they historically belonged to thousands and thousands of years ago.

i raise the issue again,that the Palestinians are Arabs.nothing more nothing less.
the fact that the whole of the Middle East is made up of Arabs,means space can be found with their Arab friends elsewhere.they do not need to concentrate on the land that Israelis have colonised for thousands of years.
Palestinians can find peace in Jordan or Lebanon,or somewhere else.they can be accomodated by their Arab brothers,in another region.
the fact they cannot even negotiate with one group or faction,means they are unworthy of land being given to them.evn if they did obtain this land,they would merely fight each other for it and the end result would be continuing violence.
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Reply #563 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:11am
 
Dragoneyes wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 1:23am:
i am neither jewish nor muslim,so i have a more objective view of things.

the fact that you claim that the Jews were outside of the region of Israel more than the Arabs,doesn't detract from their claim to the region.historically,they have the right to claim the land which they historically belonged to thousands and thousands of years ago.

i raise the issue again,that the Palestinians are Arabs.nothing more nothing less.
the fact that the whole of the Middle East is made up of Arabs,means space can be found with their Arab friends elsewhere.they do not need to concentrate on the land that Israelis have colonised for thousands of years.
Palestinians can find peace in Jordan or Lebanon,or somewhere else.they can be accomodated by their Arab brothers,in another region.


As you can see from the Israeli News article below, Jordan isn't that interested in having their Palestinian brothers back.  Which is why Jordan tore up all the dual Palestinian/Jordanian citizens passports last year. And who can forget the Black September massacres of 1973.
And as for Lebanon, they have thousands of Palestinians locked up behind  razor wired camps and their descriminatory employment laws for Palestinians exist still today.
The Saudi's treat them as low paid coolies, and the Egyptians would rather cooperated with the Israeli's than deal with the Palestinians.
By there own actions, they are the truely the pariahs of the Middle East.
The Syrians and the Iranians are happy to fund these lepers though, as long as they don't ask to migrate to those two countries.


Jordanian Politicians Fear PA State at Home

by Chana Ya'ar
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Anger at Israel expressed this week during Jordan's parliamentary election campaign stems from the fear that the Hashemite Kingdom may be forced to accept back the Palestinian Arabs that came under Israel's sovereignty following the 1967 Six Day War.

The candidates are expressing fears that if talks collapse between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, Jordan may instead become the de facto Palestinian state. They use the fear to fuel arguments supporting cancellation of the country's 1994 peace treaty with Israel.

The unstated concern that Jordan may be forced to accept as new citizens hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Authority residents stems partly from the fact that the country's population is already more than 50 percent Palestinian. Those Jordanians who are not Palestinian are Bedouin, and support King Abdullah II and the royal family.

The possibility, raised by nationalist Israelis as the “Jordanian option,” has exacerbated growing concerns among Jordanians that Israel may prefer this plan above all.

“It would mean Jordan's demise and the obliteration of our national identity,” said independent candidate Salameh Ghoweiry in a campaign speech in Zarqa, hometown of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, assassinated leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Pro-government Bedouin politicians with ties to the king are expected to sweep the election, especially since the fundamentalist Islamic Action Front – the largest opposition group – is boycotting the polls.

As a result, any criticism from the next Jordanian parliament over King Abdullah's policies is likely to be desultory at best.


(IsraelNationalNews.com)
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Reply #564 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:13am
 
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i see you are a muslim.
this would explain why your comments  are biased on this issue.

i am neither jewish nor muslim,so i have a more objective view of things.


I am neither Jew nor Arab.

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the fact that you claim that the Jews were outside of the region of Israel more than the Arabs,doesn't detract from their claim to the region.historically,they have the right to claim the land which they historically belonged to thousands and thousands of years ago.


Do you really believe that? In 2000 years time, would you get up and give your home to an Aboriginal? Should i have the right to go and take the home of a German? Because 2000 years ago my ancestors supposedly lived there? Can Arabs go and take al-Andalus back? Only 500 years ago they lived there. This is a very dangerous precedent to be set. Not sure if you've studied much history, but a lot of different peoples lived in a lot of different places thousands of years ago. You seem to be suggesting they all have a right to go, and mass immigrate into those lands they formerly lived in thousands of years ago, form militias and overrun the countries, and to boot the current inhabitants out of their homes, and to annul their ownership of their property and rights to live in their lands?

Somehow I don't think you'd be making the same nonsensical claims were it the land you (and your ancestors) had lived in for thousands of years.
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Reply #565 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 8:05am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:13am:
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i see you are a muslim.
this would explain why your comments  are biased on this issue.

i am neither jewish nor muslim,so i have a more objective view of things.


I am neither Jew nor Arab.

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the fact that you claim that the Jews were outside of the region of Israel more than the Arabs,doesn't detract from their claim to the region.historically,they have the right to claim the land which they historically belonged to thousands and thousands of years ago.


Do you really believe that? In 2000 years time, would you get up and give your home to an Aboriginal? Should i have the right to go and take the home of a German?


The UN believed it 62 years ago as well as today Abu, and Israel still continues to prosper.
Your 2 cents worth rounded down chalk and cheese comparison of the Jews rightful and known links to the Holy Land with giving land back to the Aboriginal in 2000 years time in Australia, or taking a Germans home today really shows how irrelevant your position is.
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Reply #566 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 5:46pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 12:37am:
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why are they after land which has belonged to Israeli people for thousands of years ?


The Jews have spent more time out of Palestine than in it. And both Jewish kingdoms ruled over Palestine less time combined than the Caliphate so far did.... So where you get this idea from is beyond me.

Actually read the history have you? Appears not.

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the Palestinians are Arabs,correct ?


Largely, correct. And Arab history in Palestine spans a period of about 2500+ years, over twice that of Jewish history there.


No, actually the 'Arab' history in Palestine is about 1400 years...

Arabs/Muslims didn't actually move out of Arabia until about 600AD...
Which was about 1200 years AFTER the Jewish empire in Palestine...

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Reply #567 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 6:10pm
 

I find it ironic, when I read comments from my fellow Aussies about the rights of the Jews and Palestinians in the context of events that occurred well over a thousand years ago - especially from those who also reckon that our Aboriginal population should have gotten over themselves in less than 250 years...
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Reply #568 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 6:32pm
 
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No, actually the 'Arab' history in Palestine is about 1400 years...


Not sure if I posted it for you or someone else here, but here it is again.

Avdat - A Nabatean City in the Negev: from the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs.

The Nabataean Arabs established a small trade empire, centred at Petra, about 400 B.C.E, prior to this, other Arabs from Yemen had already migrated north into ash-Sham (The Levant) and had established themselves in all the major cities there, mostly around Ghazzah (gaza).

The Ghassanid Arabs were the next arrivals coming in the early centuries of the Christian era, and then finally the Muslim Arabs.

The idea that Arabs didn't inhabit Palestine until the Islamic era is just an ignorant claim that doesn't fit the facts, and one the Zionist movement has obviously been happy to propagate. Like most of their revisionist delusions though, it's easily countered with a little dose of history.
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Reply #569 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 9:37pm
 
Ok, Abu, tell us then - what IS the jews' connection to the area that is called Israel?

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