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Reply #525 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 4:19pm

Lots of people are still terrified of being called it, among many other epithets. I don't care at all, but I would avoid generally being branded it if it would put me in a position where I would lose my job.

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Professional “anti-racist” groups play an almost unchallenged role in America in deciding which organizations are “extreme” and therefore illegitimate. In The Watchdogs, Laird Wilcox makes a case that groups like the Anti-Defamation League and the Center for Democratic Renewal are themselves extreme and ultimately more dangerous than the right wing groups they warn about in their fundraising letters. Mr. Wilcox is a longtime observer of radical groups on the left and right and his book is filled with examples of deception and dishonesty used by various “anti-racist” organizations.

The Watchdogs focuses on the history and connections of four of the better known groups: The Anti Defamation League (ADL), the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the Center for Democratic Renewal (CDR) and Political Research Associates (PRA). Mr. Wilcox is a liberal-turned-libertarian, who notes in the foreword that he was active in the civil rights movement and was once a member of both the NAACP and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). He has since been disillusioned by an anti-racist movement that seems mainly interested in ideology-for-profit.

“Indeed,” he writes, “there is an “anti-racist’ industry afoot in the United States that has attracted bullying, moralizing fanatics, whose identity and livelihood depend upon growth and expansion.”

Anti-Defamation

The ADL was founded in Chicago in 1913 as an arm of B’nai B’rith, a Jewish fraternal order. The league is tax exempt and has offices in 31 American cities. It has an annual budget of $34 million and employs over 400 people, including an impressive legal staff. The mission of the ADL is to expose and combat anti-Semitism and to defend the interests of Israel. It does this through a variety of community activities, public relations, and lobbying efforts. It also monitors anti-Semitism, but by lumping epithets and graffiti with a few acts of violence, it tends to exaggerate the problem. Alarmist warnings are good for business, but they scare Jews unnecessarily. Mr. Wilcox quotes from a May 17, 1993 New Republic article by J. J. Goldberg:

“In private, some Jewish agency staffers insist the alarmist tone set by a few national Jewish agencies, mainly for fund-raising purposes, is a key cause of Jewish anxiety. Fingers point most often at the ADL … which specialize[s] in mass mailings warning of impending doom and urging donations.”

Sometimes the ADL jumps from alarmism to outright deception. In 1981 Mr. Wilcox was asked by a Minneapolis television station to help produce a documentary on right-wing groups. One was the New York chapter of the “Christian Patriot’s Defense League.” Its two representatives, “Jim Anderson,” and “John Austin,” were such stereotypical “bigots” that Mr. Wilcox became suspicious. He discovered that “Jim Anderson” was actually James Rosenberg, who was employed by the ADL. Both Mr. Rosenberg and “John Austin,” whose real name was Kevin Reid, were arrested later that year when police found them on a rooftop in New York City with unregistered rifles. They were apparently posing for photographs to portray the threat of the far right. They were arrested for possession of an unregistered rifle and carrying a weapon in public view, but the ADL managed to get the charges dropped.

The ADL has also had a well-known spying program. In 1993 an internal investigation by the San Francisco Police Department found that intelligence officer Tom Gerard was passing confidential police files to ADL spy, Roy Bullock, who was in turn sharing information with the Israeli government. Mr. Bullock had an ADL “enemies” list of 10,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations. Groups to be spied on even included left-wing organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Conference of Black Lawyers. Investigators found similar ADL connections to police departments throughout the country.

When the ADL was criticized for spying, Mr. Wilcox reports that National Director Abraham Foxman called his critics — including many left-wing publications like the Village Voice — “anti-Semitic, undemocratic, and anti-American bastards.” The ADL was prosecuted for eavesdropping, conspiracy, and receiving confidential files from police agencies. Despite a seemingly strong case against it, all charges were dropped in exchange for a settlement of $75,000 — to be used to fight hate crimes.

Mr. Wilcox reports that deceit and illegality have not stopped the ADL from enjoying the support of government and law enforcement agencies. Long viewed with suspicion by the FBI — especially by J. Edgar Hoover — in 1985 the ADL got the cooperation it wanted when the agency issued a memo to all field offices to develop formal liaisons with the group. In practical terms this means the FBI gets its information on “hate groups” from the ADL, hardly an unbiased source. The ADL has also worked under contract with the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights to produce reports on right-wing organizations.

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Reply #526 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 4:21pm

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Located in Montgomery, Alabama, the Southern Poverty Law Center was started by direct mail expert Morris Dees after the presidential campaign of 1972. Mr. Dees was Democratic nominee George McGovern’s finance director, and he used the 700,000-name donor list to start the center. Like the ADL, the SPLC has collected huge amounts of money by warning of the growing danger of the Ku Klux Klan, skinheads, militias, and white supremacists. According to The Watchdogs, its typical appeals are hair-raising overestimates of the strength of “hate groups.” A mid-1980s mailing from the SPLC warned that “Armed Klan paramilitary forces freely roam our wooded hills from Texas to North Carolina,” and that “massive voter registration drives planned by blacks … will cause Klansmen to resort to the nightriding tactics of the past.” Alarmist mailings have helped the center amass reserves of almost $100 million dollars.

After the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the SPLC turned its attention to the militia movement. A June, 1995, Klanwatch Intelligence Report claimed that “over 200 militia and support groups operate nationwide.” Three months later, the SPLC reported it had found 73 “militias and support groups nationwide with a total of 30,000 to 40,000 members.” One hundred twenty-seven “militia and support groups” had disappeared in just three months. Mr. Wilcox believes that even the more modest estimates of militia organizations are inflated, since many are small groups that are simply opposed to gun control or the income tax. The SPLC shamelessly promotes “guilt-by-association” but only against the right. Tax protesters are “support groups” for militias or the KKK, but the NAACP is never a “support group” for the Nation of Islam.

Just as disturbing are the SPLC’s powerful connections in the media. It is often the only source academics, journalists or politicians use when they study “hate groups.” On February 20, 1992, USA Today ran an article called “Hate Groups Increase — As Do Their Crimes,” in which it reported the SPLC figure of 346 white supremacy groups. Mr. Wilcox publishes an annual directory of the American Right and says the real number that year was about 50. Why the disparity? The SPLC padded its list with groups that were, according to Mr. Wilcox, nothing but a post-office box, and some that it listed as nothing more than “unknown group,” with the name of a town. Many in the media obediently report the law center’s claims but not everyone is fooled. Betty Dobratz and Stephanie Shanks-Meile, authors of the 1997 book White Power, White Pride!, are not sympathetic to their subject but they also learned to be suspicious of watchdogs:

“We relied on the SPLC … reports for general information, but we have noted differences between the way events were sometimes portrayed in Klanwatch Intelligence Reports as more militant and dangerous with higher turnouts than we observed. Also, “watchdog’ groups promote “claims’ that are compatible with their political agenda and neglect other ones as they attempt to wield political influence among policy-makers.”

The SPLC has also mounted successful legal offensives against neo-Nazis and Klan organizations. In 1987 it won a $7 million dollar judgment against the United Klans of America for the March 1981 slaying of a black man. The suit bankrupted and effectively killed the organization. In 1990 the SPLC was in court again, winning a $10 million award against the White Aryan Resistance (WAR). These high-profile cases against much-criticized groups have helped the SPLC gain credibility and raise funds, but the legal tactics it uses are questionable. As Mr. Wilcox writes, “Had this legal doctrine that organizations are responsible for the acts of their members been established in the 1960’s, it would have decimated the early civil rights movement, a few of whose members were occasionally violent … Suppose a black activist organization was hit with a $7 million dollar judgment because one of its members killed someone in the Watts Riots?”

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VDARE contributors respond to "racism" charges by noting that the site carries authors from various ethnic backgrounds, including Filipina-American (Malkin), Cuban (George Borjas), one Native American (David A. Yeagley), Jewish/Asian-American (Marcus Epstein), and Japanese-American (Lance T. Izumi).[11] Peter Brimelow has responded to the SPLC's allegation that VDARE is a "hate group," "We've named them a treason group."[12]

Words really can't express how much I hate these organizations.

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Reply #527 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 4:41pm

athos wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 8:05pm:

locutius wrote on Jul 9^th, 2010 at 2:55pm:

Have you just worked out that they are the same race?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES//murder-on-the-sea2.gif?w=477&h=213

Kosha Calamari???

You do know what I mean by race don't you Athos? The use of flags in the cartoon seems to imply "No".

It is a funny one though, thanks for sharing.

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Reply #528 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 4:56pm

Annie and Imperium.....while I do accept that the term 'anti-semitic' is over-used...there is still a very real anti-jewish feeling around.....especially on the various messageboards (Yahoo in particular).

No ONE group, race or religion is, or can be, the source all injustice and evil in the world...

Despite rants by people like Mel Gibson, Jewish people are NOT in control of ALL movies made in Hollywood, nor are they in control of ALL news media, Banks, Governments and Intelligence services....

However, the 'modified' Torah quotes that appear on message forums, regularly, were in fact created by the 'Knights of the Ku Klux Klan' website..

Jewish people, or Israel, are not actually in charge of the 'push' for the New World Order, and are not behind the 'Freemasons' or the 'Illuminati'..

But the Jewish race/religion are routinely blamed for ALL these....

Like Captain Ahab....some people/groups do seem to consider the jews to be the "Great White Whale'....
"He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage
and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it."

The same feelings seem to permeate some of these forums....

And by the way...I'm an Australian/Irish Ex-Catholic/Atheist...

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Reply #529 - Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 3:01pm

Palestinians in the Arab World: Why the Silence?
by Khaled Abu Toameh
July 20, 2010 at 5:00 am

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1422/palestinians-in-arab-world

When was the last time the United Nations Security Council met to condemn an Arab government for its mistreatment of Palestinians?

How come groups and individuals on university campuses in the US and Canada that call themselves "pro-Palestinian" remain silent when Jordan revokes the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians?

The plight of Palestinians living in Arab countries in general, and Lebanon in particular, is one that is often ignored by the mainstream media in West.

How come they turn a blind eye to the fact that Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and many more Arab countries continue to impose severe travel restrictions on Palestinians?

And where do these groups and individuals stand regarding the current debate in Lebanon about whether to grant Palestinians long-denied basic rights, including employment, social security and medical care?

Or have they not heard about this debate at all? Probably not, since the case has failed to draw the attention of most Middle East correspondents and commentators.

A news story on the Palestinians that does not include an anti-Israel angle rarely makes it to the front pages of Western newspapers.

The demolition of an Arab-owned illegal building in Jerusalem is, for most of these correspondents, much more important than the fact that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Lebanon continue to suffer from a series of humiliating restrictions.

Not only are Palestinians living in Lebanon denied the right to own property, but they also do not qualify for health care, and are banned by law from working in a large number of jobs.

Can someone imagine what would be the reaction in the international community if Israel tomorrow passed a law that prohibits its Arab citizens from working as taxi drivers, journalists, physicians, cooks, waiters, engineers and lawyers? Or if the Israeli Ministry of Education issued a directive prohibiting Arab children from enrolling in universities and schools?

But who said that the Lebanese authorities have not done anything to "improve" the situation? In fact, the Palestinians living in that country should be grateful to the Lebanese government.

Until 2005, the law prohibited Palestinians from working in 72 professions. Now the list of jobs has been reduced to 50.

Still, Palestinians are not allowed to work as physicians, journalists, pharmacists or lawyers in Lebanon.

Ironically, it is much easier for a Palestinian to acquire American and Canadian citizenship than a passport of an Arab country. In the past, Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were even entitled to Israeli citizenship if they married an Israeli citizen, or were reunited with their families inside the country.

Lebanese politicians are now debating new legislation that would grant "civil rights" to Palestinians for the first time in 62 years. The new bill includes the right to own property, social security payments and medical care.

Many Lebanese are said to be opposed to the legislation out of fear that it would pave the way for the integration of Palestinians into their society and would constitute a burden to the economy.

The heated debate has prompted parliament to postpone a vote on the bill until next month.

Nadim Khoury, director of Human Rights Watch in Beirut, said, "Lebanon has marginalized Palestinian refugees for too long and the parliament should seize this opportunity to turn the page and end discrimination against Palestinians."

Rami Khouri, a prominent Lebanese journalist, wrote in The Daily Star that "all Arab countries mistreat millions of Arab, Asian and African foreign guest workers, who often are treated little better than chattel or indentured laborers…The mistreatment, abysmal living conditions and limited work, social security and property rights of the Palestinians [in Lebanon] are a lingering moral black mark."

Foreign journalists often justify their failure to report on the suffering of Palestinians in the Arab world by citing "security concerns" and difficulty in obtaining an entry visa into an Arab country.

But these are weak and unacceptable excuses given the fact that most of them could still write about these issues from their safe offices and homes in New York, London and Paris. Isn't that what most of them are anyway doing when they are write about the situation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip?

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Despite rants by people like Mel Gibson, Jewish people are NOT in control of ALL movies made in Hollywood, nor are they in control of ALL news media, Banks, Governments and Intelligence services....

Paranoid conspiracy theorizing concerning the Jews is mainly the result of crude minds trying to make sense -- in a very unsophisticated way, mind you -- of the great and undeniable reach of Jewish influence within Western countries. The Jews may not be "in control" of everything you see around you, but they are undeniably overrepresented in positions of control. They are extremely powerful. Fully half of the Atlantic 50, which is a list of the most influential political commentators in the United States, are Jewish. 35% of the Wealthiest 400 Americans are Jewish, most major media outlets have Jewish corporate presidents. Their overrepresentation in positions of cultural, financial and political power allows them to wield a considerable level of influence far beyond their proportional level in any population they find themselves. Minority groups in the midst of strangers tend to attempt to assert and pursue their own interests in some way, and the Jews are certainly no exception to this.

Jewish lobbies wield considerable influence in the United States, and involve the political body there frequently with the Israeli conflict. The special nature and influence of Jews and the Jewish lobby there absolves them of their history of transgressions like their constant spying. The conspiracy theories have merely sprung up as crude attempts by gentile observers to make sense of, in the absence of more sophisticated theories, the obvious and far-reaching influence and control of such a small group of people. I think we are entitled to be skeptical of the tribe (within reasonable bounds), just as its collective body may feel it has the legitimate right to be skeptical of us. I certainly am no friend of the tribe myself. I do not in any way condone outrageous proposals of New World Order or Illuminati plots though, but feel that the Jewish Question can still be reasonably addressed without resorting to outright dismissal.

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Reply #532 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 11:21pm

aikmann4 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 10:42pm:

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Despite rants by people like Mel Gibson, Jewish people are NOT in control of ALL movies made in Hollywood, nor are they in control of ALL news media, Banks, Governments and Intelligence services....

Paranoid conspiracy theorizing concerning the Jews is mainly the result of crude minds trying to make sense -- in a very unsophisticated way, mind you -- of the great and undeniable reach of Jewish influence within Western countries. The Jews may not be "in control" of everything you see around you, but they are undeniably overrepresented in positions of control. They are extremely powerful. Fully half of the Atlantic 50, which is a list of the most influential political commentators in the United States, are Jewish. 35% of the Wealthiest 400 Americans are Jewish, most major media outlets have Jewish corporate presidents. Their overrepresentation in positions of cultural, financial and political power allows them to wield a considerable level of influence far beyond their proportional level in any population they find themselves. Minority groups in the midst of strangers tend to attempt to assert and pursue their own interests in some way, and the Jews are certainly no exception to this.

Jewish lobbies wield considerable influence in the United States, and involve the political body there frequently with the Israeli conflict. The special nature and influence of Jews and the Jewish lobby there absolves them of their history of transgressions like their constant spying. The conspiracy theories have merely sprung up as crude attempts by gentile observers to make sense of, in the absence of more sophisticated theories, the obvious and far-reaching influence and control of such a small group of people. I think we are entitled to be skeptical of the tribe (within reasonable bounds), just as its collective body may feel it has the legitimate right to be skeptical of us. I certainly am no friend of the tribe myself. I do not in any way condone outrageous proposals of New World Order or Illuminati plots though, but feel that the Jewish Question can still be reasonably addressed without resorting to outright dismissal.

True, but by the same token...African-American are also 'over-represented' in athletic pursuits, like basketball and football.....

Does that mean there is an 'African-American' conspiracy in sports???
Or could it be that some groups are just better, or more gifted, at some things??

Asians have a higher representation in mathematics and science, African-Americans have a higher representation in sports, Jewish people have a higher representation in the finance sector....

I think it's not some much 'conspiracy' as talent......

So why denigrate a whole section of society because of a natural skill in one area????

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Reply #533 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 11:35pm

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Does that mean there is an 'African-American' conspiracy in sports???
Or could it be that some groups are just better, or more gifted, at some things??

Wow, could that be possible? Cheesy

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So why denigrate a whole section of society because of a natural skill in one area????

Their talent allows them to be influential, this much is clear. Many buy into ridiculous conspiracy theories of varying sorts that propose that their influence is the result of them belonging to a secret world controlling societies, or that their incredible talent allows them to create these influential organizations. I am not criticising them for their talent, but the nature of their influence. Jewish intellectual movements are deleterious and intellectually nugatory, and they have mostly defined 20th century Western thought, and include but are not limited to Boasian Anthropology, Psychoanalysis, Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School. Their influence within Western governments and the Jewish-Israel lobby is also negative. There are very clear reasons (from their interests, at least) for their perspectives of our civilization that while may be reasonable from their point of view, are not from mine. This is why I do not accept the tribe as allies as many conservatives do.

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Reply #536 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 12:53pm

aikmann4 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 11:35pm:

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Does that mean there is an 'African-American' conspiracy in sports???
Or could it be that some groups are just better, or more gifted, at some things??

Wow, could that be possible? Cheesy

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So why denigrate a whole section of society because of a natural skill in one area????

Their talent allows them to be influential, this much is clear. Many buy into ridiculous conspiracy theories of varying sorts that propose that their influence is the result of them belonging to a secret world controlling societies, or that their incredible talent allows them to create these influential organizations. I am not criticising them for their talent, but the nature of their influence. Jewish intellectual movements are deleterious and intellectually nugatory, and they have mostly defined 20th century Western thought, and include but are not limited to Boasian Anthropology, Psychoanalysis, Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School. Their influence within Western governments and the Jewish-Israel lobby is also negative. There are very clear reasons (from their interests, at least) for their perspectives of our civilization that while may be reasonable from their point of view, are not from mine. This is why I do not accept the tribe as allies as many conservatives do.

Why single out the 20th century? Start with Christianity, which many, starting with Nietzsche, take to be nothing but a very influential jewsih susperstition. The problem with your argument, Imperium, is that it implies that non-Jews are helpless in the face of Jewish intellectual manipulation. This is nonsense.

It barely needs pointing out that conflating psychoanalisis, Marxism and the Frankurt School with Israel's national interests does not stand up to any sort of reflection, let alone analysis.

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Reply #537 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 1:04pm

Israel didn't even exist at the time those movements were fledgling. It is obvious however from inspection that those movements, among many, had Jewish backbones and were at their core, headed by strongly identified Jews that were interested in purusing Jewish interests; this does not necessarily mean 'Israeli' interests. (I'm not talking about Marxism perse). It is not hard to see that they are an extremely energetic, talented and ethnocentric group that are very concerned with the survival of their people, and to those responsible, these movements were intent on securing their survival. There is no reason why the Jews would have such an incredible interest in increasing non-white/Jewish immigration (to which they played a pivotal role) and forming political alliances with other minority groups; unless of course, those responsible felt that there was something in it for them. Nobody would lose.. except Whitey, I guess.

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Imperium, is that it implies that non-Jews are helpless in the face of Jewish intellectual manipulation

Are you saying that I think that white people themselves are just playthings of the Jews and are being batted around by them like a feather in the wind? I am just saying that it is elites that tend to set the general tone of a society; most human beings are followers who go along with the herd, and it is elites that shepherd the herd. The Jews are disproportionately an elite group (whatever the reason for that may be). They have the highest known IQ in the world and a large number of them are supremely gifted individuals. And they have a different group identity and a different way of viewing the West; as more an outgroup than an ingroup. This will influence their collective thought processes. Look how they have been treated and the group dynamics involved between Jews and Gentiles throughout history. Do you really think I think they are evil or unjustified for thinking the way that they do? Don't assume that I feel that white people themselves are not deserving of the bulk of the blame here either. I just consider Jewish overrepresentation and over-involvement in the root movements of a certain.. ahem, suspicious to say the least, and feel that it is legitimate to ask whether or not the Jews involved feel/felt that "they" (and you know what they means) are/were getting something out of it. I really don't consider it out of character. They expend much energy getting us involved in the Israeli conflict for instance, and can be quite underhanded in their dealings with Western governments that are supposedly their allies.

Obvious Jewish talent, combined with their historical perceptions of Western civilization and their interactions with Gentiles strongly influences the way that they think, and how they engage with the greater societies around them. This has resulted in the disproportionate role they have played in the intellectual and societal transformation of the Western world. I am proposing that, to many of the Jewish intellectuals involved, that all of this has been perceived to be within "their" interests (some of them have been extremely overt about it actually). I don't think there's anything sinister about suggesting this or anything, nor do I consider it unreasonable from their point of view, nor does it suggest that White people are not complicit or deserving of the bulk of the blame here. Nobody curses -- and yet loves -- his own people here more than me.

I think what is at the core of this discussion is not that I think that Whites are some manipulatable, passive blob of putty ready to be shaped by some other outside force at its volition (as that would be to make the grave error that Whites are distinctly sinless and without blame), but whether or not certain Jewish intellectuals were or are merely intellectuals or intellectuals of a distinctly Jewish kind, with a specific, Jewish intent. You yourself asked this quite astutely before. In the case of psychoanalysis, all 17 of its members in 1906 were strongly identified Jews, and about 60% of American psychoanalysts in the 1970s were polled as having a "Jewish cultural affinity". Of course, just because as movements they were stocked with Jews does not make them specifically Jewish movements, so we must more deeply and carefully probe what their intentions were before any conclusions about their natures can be reached. Take Boas, the man who tutored a legion of devout followers that were (along with himself) responsible for modern anthropology, and was one of the most influential "thinkers" of the modern era:

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Boas was greatly motivated by the immigration issue as it occurred early in
the century. Carl Degler (1991, 74) notes that Boas’s professional
correspondence “reveals that an important motive behind his famous headmeasuring
project in 1910 was his strong personal interest in keeping the United
States diverse in population.”

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Hence the endeavor of the Jews to control the immigration
policy of the United States. Although theirs is but a seventh of
our net immigration, they led the fight on the Immigration
Commission’s bill. The power of the million Jews in the
Metropolis lined up the Congressional delegation from New
York in solid opposition to the literacy test. The systematic
campaign in newspapers and magazines to break down all
arguments for restriction and to calm nativist fears is waged by and for one race. .

What could a plausible motive for these strongly identified Jews to be so interested in all of this? There's obviously something (perceived) in there in it for them on a group level, and an individual level as well.

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22is+it+good+for+the+jews%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=8e7e686f1ca524e1

Well maybe, maybe not.

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Reply #539 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:27pm

aikmann4 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 11:35pm:

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Does that mean there is an 'African-American' conspiracy in sports???
Or could it be that some groups are just better, or more gifted, at some things??

Wow, could that be possible? Cheesy

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So why denigrate a whole section of society because of a natural skill in one area????

Their talent allows them to be influential, this much is clear. Many buy into ridiculous conspiracy theories of varying sorts that propose that their influence is the result of them belonging to a secret world controlling societies, or that their incredible talent allows them to create these influential organizations. I am not criticising them for their talent, but the nature of their influence. Jewish intellectual movements are deleterious and intellectually nugatory, and they have mostly defined 20th century Western thought, and include but are not limited to Boasian Anthropology, Psychoanalysis, Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School. Their influence within Western governments and the Jewish-Israel lobby is also negative. There are very clear reasons (from their interests, at least) for their perspectives of our civilization that while may be reasonable from their point of view, are not from mine. This is why I do not accept the tribe as allies as many conservatives do.

But EVERY 'special interest' group has a lobbying system....
Catholics lobby for special concession on behalf of Catholics, as do Muslims, Protestants, Lutherans...Aboriginals, African-Americans, Native-Americans, Irish-Australians/Americans (meaning of course Australians of Irish descent HERE and Americans of Irish descent in the US)...Even the Gay community lobbies..

Every religious, national, cultural and ethnic group has a group that lobbies on their behalf.....

Again, why just pick on ONE group???
Lobbying is a part of the Government process and has been around for centuries.....

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