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Reply #495 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:37am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:56pm:
helian,

You hate judgement, you hate truth.

The world is full of ppl like yourself.

Why do you want to protect those who want to be murderers?

Yadda, you're a fool to yourself.

You are a wannabe murderer.
.. so long as your Christ takes the rap...

How is that different to those murderers who invoke the name of Allah?






No.

I am not.


Dictionary,
murder = = the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another.


Dictionary,
premeditate = = think out or plan (an action, especially a crime) beforehand.




Murder is planning to kill another,
with malice aforethought
.

Killing another, where it is in self defence is not, murder.





Scenario,

If you planned to kill me.

If i learned of your plan, to murder me.

If i possessed evidence that you planned to murder me.

And, if no other 'authority' had the means or was unwilling to defend me, i have a right to pre-emptively prevent your attack.

i.e.
If, in a pre-emptive act, i sought to prevent my murder [to pre-empt your planned attack], and if you were thereby killed, that is not murder.

I am defending my life, from murder.




In self defence, i am not seeking to act, to 'murder', in a premeditated way [which was in fact your intention].

What i did was to
re-act
[to YOUR intent], to cause your death, to prevent you from murdering me.






But helian,   
....in your world
, the act of killing, is 'murder', under all circumstances.

If that is your position, and i would posture that it is, how are the innocent to protect themselves, from violence, and murder?

In your world, the innocent would be guilty of 'murder',
......in acting, to protect themselves, from violence, and murder.





Google,
youtube hamas kill jews

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=youtube+hamas+kill+jews&btnG=Search&meta...





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Reply #496 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:44am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:29am:
Naughty, naughty Yadda... Using the old 'everyone's doing it' defence... Which is really, 'I'd do it anytime I think I can get away with it'.

You expend megabytes preaching your ethics system to us, which should at least imply you are subject to its code, its core being 'Love thy neighbour' and the extending of friendship and love to those who would be your enemy... etc...

It seems your faith has taught you nothing.





It has certainly taught you nothing helian.





It is clear, that very man enjoys moral equivalency, according to your creed.

Even murderers have the right to be who they are, murderers, according to your creed.

I don't follow your creed.


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Reply #497 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:55am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:44am:
It has certainly taught you nothing helian.

It is clear, that very man enjoys moral equivalency, according to your creed.

Even murderers have the right to be who they are, murderers, according to your creed.

I don't follow your creed.

Naughty naughty again Yadda... Using a non-sequitur to condemn me as you are condemned by your own words. We are all morally accountable... not morally equal when we commit immoral acts.

Yadda, calling for the deaths of the innocent is immoral. It is an act of spiteful vengeance... And 'Vengeance is mine sayeth ....' who? By your own creed.
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Reply #498 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 9:57am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:55am:
Yadda wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:44am:
It has certainly taught you nothing helian.

It is clear, that very man enjoys moral equivalency, according to your creed.

Even murderers have the right to be who they are, murderers, according to your creed.

I don't follow your creed.

Naughty naughty again Yadda... Using a non-sequitur to condemn me as you are condemned by your own words. We are all morally accountable... not morally equal when we commit immoral acts.

Yadda, calling for the deaths of the innocent is immoral.
It is an act of spiteful vengeance... And 'Vengeance is mine sayeth ....' who? By your own creed.






helian,

Then  you, and skippy, and abu, should condemn those immoral ppl.

But you won't.


Instead, you condemn the Israelis, whenever they act, or, seek to act, to defend themselves.

Google images,
child suicide bomber

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=child+suicide+bomber&btnG=S...







helian,

You are a person who is averse to TRUTH.

You hate TRUTH.

Because TRUTH confronts your false 'morality', and your 'tolerance',
.....of the wicked and evil.

And in your condemnation of Israel, you prove your own immorality.

Col. Richard Kemp on the U.N. Goldstone Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo


Just keep denying the TRUTH helian.

That is your world, the world in which you 'live'.





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Reply #499 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 10:51am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 7:46am:
Yadda posted,


Yadda wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 11:09am:
Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:52am:
"A Gaza charity headed by the interior minister of the militant Hamas group on Wednesday offered $1.4 million to any Arab citizen of Israel who abducts a soldier.


Palestinians have frequently called on Israeli Arabs to abduct Israeli soldiers, but this is the first time that money has been offered.

The Waad group from Gaza offered the bounty for Israeli soldiers in an e-mail sent to Palestinian media. The organization, which supports Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, is headed by Hamas' Interior Minister Fathi Hamad. The minister did not return messages seeking comment.

The charity could presumably raise the cash through its connections with Hamas. The militant group is thought to have millions of dollars at its disposal, both through its tight control of Gaza and support from Iran and other allies."





Israel, this declaration by Hamas is an act of war.

Bring Hamas and the people of Gaza into submission.

Every day, Hamas, and the people of Gaza declare, that they want blood and death.

ON THEIR OWN HEADS BE IT!


Israel, spill the blood of those, who wish to kill you, and destroy those who wish to destroy your nation.

Bring Hamas and the people of Gaza into submission.

Tell the international community to, 'Go to HELL!'










In response skippy posted,

Quote:
You sound like the murderer to me yadda, calling for the muder of inocent women and children in Gazza, you're a smacking lunatic







+++++++++






And several hours BEFORE the posts above, skippy said,


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Yea, Islam is about as peaceful as Christianity and Judaism, they all suck.
The only difference is that you bible bashers and the hebes are much bigger hypocrites.
Israel is a terrorist state,
pity the Muslims arn't smart enough to wipe the hebes out.








I'm glad to see I've become a role model for you yadda.
But skippy is one of those atheists, you on the other hand yadda preach to us all on a daily basis about your god,yet, you dont follow his basic teaching as Helian said, you "dont love thy neighbour", sinner.

As for my comment re the jews, I consider Israel a terrorist state, they are no better or worse than Muslim terrorists.
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Reply #500 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 11:24am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 8:55am:
Yadda, calling for the deaths of the innocent is immoral. It is an act of spiteful vengeance... And
'Vengeance is mine sayeth ....' who? By your own creed.







Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25  And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26  And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29  Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30  He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33  Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34  O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35  A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


The Holy Ghost???


Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3  He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.






Nice prank call to an American Zionist hotline

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258170627/3#3





Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2  Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3  And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
....
23  Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.




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Reply #501 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:56pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 9:57am:
helian,

Then  you, and skippy, and abu, should condemn those immoral ppl.

But you won't.


Instead, you condemn the Israelis, whenever they act, or, seek to act, to defend themselves.

Google images,

helian,

You are a person who is averse to TRUTH.

You hate TRUTH.

Because TRUTH confronts your false 'morality', and your 'tolerance',
.....of the wicked and evil.

And in your condemnation of Israel, you prove your own immorality.

Just keep denying the TRUTH helian.

That is your world, the world in which you 'live'.

Making it up as you go along, Yadda... When have I condemned Israel? This is how you half-baked Christians whip yourselves up into a murderous frenzy.

You are the one who claims he's bound by Christian doctrine... so.... start loving your enemy.... NOW!

Averse to truth am I?  You mean averse to your conviction that god exists? That the bible is the word of god and therefore the 'truth'?

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Reply #502 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 4:28pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:56pm:
Making it up as you go along, Yadda...
When have I condemned Israel?
This is how you half-baked Christians whip yourselves up into a murderous frenzy.

You are the one who claims he's bound by Christian doctrine... so.... start loving your enemy.... NOW!

Averse to truth am I?  You mean averse to your conviction that god exists? That the bible is the word of god and therefore the 'truth'?








Quote:

Israeli presumptions that the world will condone, be silent over or defend this kind of gross injustice needs to come to an end.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1249266033/1#1




Quote:

I support a two state solution and always will......



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1249266033/5#5

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Reply #503 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 5:04pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 4:28pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:56pm:
Making it up as you go along, Yadda...
When have I condemned Israel?
This is how you half-baked Christians whip yourselves up into a murderous frenzy.

You are the one who claims he's bound by Christian doctrine... so.... start loving your enemy.... NOW!

Averse to truth am I?  You mean averse to your conviction that god exists? That the bible is the word of god and therefore the 'truth'?



Quote:

Israeli presumptions that the world will condone, be silent over or defend this kind of gross injustice needs to come to an end.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1249266033/1#1

Quote:

I support a two state solution and always will......



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1249266033/5#5


You're confusing condemnation with criticism. I don't want to see the Israeli state 'wiped off the map' and I believe Palestinians also have rights and a right to state. Therefore the two state solution is the only solution I believe is just.

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Reply #504 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 8:37am
 
Quote:
You are the one who claims he's bound by Christian doctrine... so.... start loving your enemy.... NOW


No no no you don't understand the 'ways of the Lord' helian. This concept only applies to an enemy who doesn't fight to prevent you taking his home, or doesn't resist or oppose you. you know those nice good friendly enemy types that existed in Jesus' time.
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Reply #505 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 1:52am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 5:04pm:

You're confusing condemnation with criticism. I don't want to see the Israeli state 'wiped off the map' and I believe Palestinians also have rights and a right to state. Therefore the two state solution is the only solution I believe is just.





...
The Arabs were allotted the land of the BMP, Transjorden, east of the river Jordan.
.....WHERE, [BY AGREEMENT WITH THE ARABS OF THE AREA], JEWS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SETTLE.

Listen up.....

'PALESTINIANS' HAVE A HOMELAND.

JORDAN, IS THE 'PALESTINIAN' HOMELAND.





helian,

TRUTH

There is a two state solution, in existence, today.

There has been a two state solution, in existence, since 1948.

TRUTH

'Palestinians' are Jordanians.

soren said it,
Israeli treatment of Palestinians

Quote:

There is israel only because of international law. There were no invading jewish armies.
Originally the whole area [of the BMP] was designated by the League of Nations for a future israel, including today's Jordan. Churchill redrew the map in 1922 to exempt Trans-Jordan - and there's your Palestine, there's your two state solution, in place since 1922.

And the significant migration of jews started after the British Mandata and the plan for a future israel were in place, that is, after WWI.

The west bank (and gaza until recently) is not occupied illegally by Israel and under international law it has every right to allow settlements there. Why? The West Bank (and East Jerusalem for that matter) is not Arab land. It was part of the British mandata until 1948 when the arabs occupied it by... er... launching a war. Under international law Israel has every right to hold these territories (which never formed part of a sovereign state since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire) until attacks on it originating from these territories cease. That is international law, not Israeli law. Was it Ok for Jordan to occupy the west bank from 1948 to 1967?



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/122#122


In 1967, Arab Jordanian moslem occupants of Judea and Samaria, went to bed as
Jordanians
, and the next day they woke up as 'Palestinians'.

Jordanians lost 'their land' of Judea and Samaria, and E. Jerusalem, when they unsuccessfully tried to destroy the state of Israel in a war of conquest.

BUT, they, 'Palestinians', [proxy Jordanians, proxy moslems, for the worldwide ummah], reject the loss of 'their land' [moslem land].

Why?

Because the conflict is not about land, though it is portrayed as being about.




TRUTH

Jordan, *is* the ancient homeland of ethnic 'Palestinians'.

Israel *is* the ancient homeland of the Jewish people.

But the moslem nations which surround Israel reject those facts.

Instead, moslems want the mideast conflict to be about the 'poor' dispossessed, homeless, 'Palestinians'.

Because then, moslems can fuel, and *justify*, a never ending hatred of the Israeli state,
and posit, that the 'problem' will never go away, until Israel is destroyed.






And you know what helian???

Once again you will reject this posit.

Q.
Why?

A.
Because,

Quote:

You are a person who is averse to TRUTH.

You hate TRUTH.

Because TRUTH confronts your false 'morality', and your 'tolerance',
.....of the wicked and evil.

And in your condemnation of Israel, you prove your own immorality.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1181878710/498#498




Israel begins sell-off of refugees’ land

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250746280/9#9



Should land be returned to aggressor nations, if they are defeated???

i.e. Should territory be automatically returned to those who start wars of aggression?

Why???

Wouldn't such a practice / 'principle', if mandated by the world community of nations, encourage wars of aggression?

May 24, 2007
Israel and international law

"....Israel’s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence. International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does not so forbid it, in particular, when the force is used to stop an aggressor, for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule…."

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1528




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Reply #506 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 8:54am
 
For bugger's sake, Yadda.

What is a war on non-aggression?

The response to the creation of Israel is the common human response that could be expected anywhere in the world. The sooner you understand this the sooner you'll control your Christian sense of a need to murder someone through your religious frenzy.

When you learn to see both Israelis and Palestinians as humans first, then maybe you'll perceive the conflict with the empathy both sides deserve.
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Reply #507 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 9:11am
 
The Palestinian Arabs  are increasingly warming to the idea of the one state solution where the joos will be a 'protected minority, like the whites in South Africa'. They realie that the Palestinian Arab are not able to form a viable state on their own.

They are suggesting a wiss-style federal model of cntons, with the IDF retaining full responsibility for defence. Under one state, Jews and Arabs would share power at a local level for things like education and health, while things like water would be decided at a national level,


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lets-share-power-says-moderate-arab/s...

The guy interviewed is Arafat's nephew, but in a clan-based society, who isn't? The min thing is that he i not n islamist - so he will be rejected by the jihadis. He says:

"The Irish and the English resolved their conflict. The English and the Scots. There have been many other conflicts that have seemed as intractable as this one. It's better than continued conflict, is it not?"


"Asked of Israelis who would resist his vision out of fear for the end of the Jewish state, he said: "But it would be the birth of the Jewish canton. Don't worry, we will be good to them. They will be treated as a protected minority. We are not interested in oppressing them. Historically, we don't have a problem with Jews. Anti-semitism is not an Arab or Muslim thing, it's primarily been a Christian thing." Mr Aweidah says his views are typical today."



How about that?
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Reply #508 - Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:53am
 
Yadda,

Even though I've been through this with you and the other dropkicks here enough times already...

What was the name of the partition plan that map supposedly represents? If you can provide it, we're on, if not just resign to the fact you're full of bovine faeces...

That map was created about 20 years ago by Zionist ideologues in the U.S and has no historical value whatsoever. There was no plan representing a partition like that, except in the fantasies of revisionist Zionists.

Regardless of the fact that Palestinians have lived in their land for well over 1400 years (if not millenia longer) and therefore no partition plan is acceptable for them anyway, nor should it be. As I'm sure you and your cronies here would not accept Australia being divided 50/50 between Muslims and non-Muslims, even though we are about the same % of the population Jews were of Palestine when they began their Zionist project. Why demand others accept something you yourself never would?
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Reply #509 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:07pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2009 at 9:11am:
The Palestinian Arabs  are increasingly warming to the idea of the one state solution where the joos will be a 'protected minority, like the whites in South Africa'. They realie that the Palestinian Arab are not able to form a viable state on their own.

They are suggesting a wiss-style federal model of cntons, with the IDF retaining full responsibility for defence. Under one state, Jews and Arabs would share power at a local level for things like education and health, while things like water would be decided at a national level,


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lets-share-power-says-moderate-arab/s...

The guy interviewed is Arafat's nephew, but in a clan-based society, who isn't? The min thing is that he i not n islamist - so he will be rejected by the jihadis. He says:

"The Irish and the English resolved their conflict. The English and the Scots. There have been many other conflicts that have seemed as intractable as this one. It's better than continued conflict, is it not?"


"Asked of Israelis who would resist his vision out of fear for the end of the Jewish state, he said: "But it would be the birth of the Jewish canton.
Don't worry, we will be good to them. They will be treated as a protected minority.
We are not interested in oppressing them. Historically, we don't have a problem with Jews.
Anti-semitism is not an Arab or Muslim thing
, it's primarily been a Christian thing." Mr Aweidah says his views are typical today."



How about that?





'...Anti-semitism is not an Arab or Muslim thing.'

Sure, sure.

I believe ya!
/sarc off


BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.


'Don't worry,.....just suck it up infidel. Just suck it up.'





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For people who doubt what I am saying about anti Semitism in the Middle East - People must view this video and understand that the dispute about Israel is not a war of land or geography but anti-semitism of the worst kind but it is now more dangerous than Nazi Germany because it has a religious twist.



http://www.shoebat.com/comments.php
http://www.shoebat.com/media/palestinian_tv.wmv




AND,


...

"Hamas Spokesman: Genocide of Jews remains Hamas goal.....As Hamas seeks international recognition by softening its tone in English, in Arabic it continues the calls for genocide of Jews."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016038.php



AND, 100's more examples out there.

But don't look!

Turn the other way, TRUTH may offend you.

So don't look.

Go back to your 'sleep' of complacency, all is well.

Honest.
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