Australian Politics Forum - ISRAEL/PALESTINE

imperial Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 268	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #465 - Aug 17^th, 2008 at 8:57am didnt take long to find the 'establishment stooge' .....hehehehe. g'day freedenier......
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Reply #466 - Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 5:20pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 15^th, 2008 at 7:12pm:

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it.
Malcolm X

You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom.
Malcolm X

"Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks."Malcolm X

"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary."
Malcolm X.

The lastest on Malcolm X is out, as it were:

Malcom X's dark secret
Rod Liddle Wednesday, 21st October 2009
http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5457333/malcom-xs-dark-secret.thtml

Malcolm X, the black liberationist hero from that wonderful decade, the 1960s, was apparently bi-sexual – a fact never mentioned to the kiddies during Black History Month, according to the campaigner Peter Tatchell.

This is because, in general, blacks are much more homophobic than whites (although the excellent Tatchell does not put it quite as bluntly as this) and the guardians of black liberationist history are therefore disinclined to labour the point. Mr Tatchell spends a considerable amount of energy pointing out the vicious homophobia and misogyny in Muslim culture and rap, hip hop and ragga music, a fact which does not always endear the man to his companions on the radical left. But Tatchell is nothing if not principled.

I have to say it had not occurred to me that Malcolm X was a part-time poof, not least because he also embraced the Muslim faith, of course. I think this point makes his sexuality relevant and our children should be told that one of the heroes of the black struggle for equality felt drawn to sexual behaviour which was at odds with his newly acquired belief system. The hadith has it thus: “kill the one who is doing it and the one to whom it is being done!” There are no get out clauses, even if you bat for both sides.

Uh-oh.
Scramble, all ye slaves of Allan and revise, revise, revise.

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Reply #467 - Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 9:58pm

Even if this slanderous claim is true, he may well have committed immoral acts in his pre-Muslim life... most of those who convert to Islam have committed things in their past which were obviously against Islam. Some of the first converts to Islam were in fact bitter enemies of Islam, who even fought against and killed Muslims. And even till this day, there are ex-soviet soldiers and even ex-U.S soldiers in Afghanistan, who embraced Islam, and became good practising Muslims, even though they were once the invaders and occupiers of Muslim lands.

That claim seems to subtley peddle the usual Western crap about homosexuality/bisexuality being a "lifestyle" rather than just immoral acts. Part of the ridiculous campaign to convince people that lewd acts are in fact part of a genetic predisposition.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #468 - Oct 24^th, 2009 at 10:16pm Arafat, that other hero of Muslims, was a shirtlifter and he was a muslim all his life, not a convert. Why are his pictures still everywhere in Gaza and the West Banks and even some kebabs shops in Oz? Why weren't the kiddies throwing rocks under his leadrship told?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #469 - Oct 25^th, 2009 at 12:14am Yeh like we're going to believe some Zionist propganda website that claims he died of AIDS... The more likely cause of his death was that Abbas poisoned him
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22850 A cat with a view	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #470 - Oct 25^th, 2009 at 5:20pm abu_rashid wrote on Oct 25^th, 2009 at 12:14am: Yeh like we're going to believe some Zionist propganda website that claims he died of AIDS... The more likely cause of his death was that Abbas poisoned him That is because Abbas is a secret Zionist. Honest.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #471 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 10:44am abu_rashid wrote on Oct 25^th, 2009 at 12:14am: Yeh like we're going to believe some Zionist propganda website that claims he died of AIDS... It's been known since the '70s that he was a shirtlifter..
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41788 Gender:	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #472 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 10:53am Yeh like we're going to believe that abu would ever say anything against any other islamic. so all of your comments are worthless - fool. why was arafats nickname crackafat?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #473 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 11:21am soren, He may well have been. Who knows. He was hardly an Islamist though. He was clearly a tool of the Zionists and Americans. Rushing to sell any little bit of Palestine he could so long as they'd give him his own little thug police force and a helicopter.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41788 Gender:	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #474 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 12:11pm make your twisted mind up abu Quote: ......his pre-Muslim life..... then it is Quote: ......a tool of the Zionists and Americans....... what is he ? a muslim tool??
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #475 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 1:40pm sprint, Those two quotes refer to two seperate people you git. Get with the program.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41788 Gender:	Re: ISRAEL/PALESTINE Reply #476 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 3:00pm i know the program.
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Reply #477 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 8:44pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

soren,

He may well have been. Who knows. He was hardly an Islamist though. He was clearly a tool of the Zionists and Americans. Rushing to sell any little bit of Palestine he could so long as they'd give him his own little thug police force and a helicopter.

Sell a bit of Palestine? You had a guy in charghe for 30 years and he was selling you down the river? The guy who practically invented Muslim terrorism? And he was selling out all along? The guy who rejected the most favourable offers you have ever had was selling out? How do mulsim manage to have people in charge who are despised by east and west equally?

This is a great example of the Muslim cognitive dissonance - yoiu hate the guys you follow.

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Reply #478 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 8:49pm

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Sell a bit of Palestine? You had a guy in charghe for 30 years and he was selling you down the river?

Controlling both sides is the best policy isn't it??

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The guy who practically invented Muslim terrorism?

He was a secularist, ie. one of your crowd.

Any "terrorism" he committed was in the name of secularism and nationalism, nothing to do with Islam.

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The guy who rejected the most favourable offers you have ever had was selling out?

Just because Abbas is even more of a sell-out, doesn't mean Arafat wasn't a sell-out. There is no favourable offer for us, other than the unconditional withdrawal from the entirety of the land. Anything else is just as ridiculous as the Peel plan or the U.N partition plan. Get this through your thick heads, that's the only terms the Muslims will ever accept. You can plant as many puppets as you like, but it will never bring about what you want.

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Reply #479 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 9:31pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 8:49pm:

There is no favourable offer for us, other than the unconditional withdrawal from the entirety of the land. Anything else is just as ridiculous as the Peel plan or the U.N partition plan. Get this through your thick heads, that's the only terms the Muslims will ever accept. You can plant as many puppets as you like, but it will never bring about what you want.

That's not what the Palestinians may want but, hey, it's no skin off your nose. The Arabs have been sacrificing their 'brothers' for 60 years, why not for another 600, before you liberate the 'entire land' and you can all sink back into to torpor of sullen, slothful backwardness. That's the plan, isn't it? Because none of you have ever given a thought of how exactly israel is preventing you from lifting your collective selves out of your slovenly lethargy. The only thing that energises you is the prospect of joo killing. That's plan a and plan b. ANd when you are done with that, it can be wall to wall Lybia, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia and the rest, backward, brutal, crazy.

You are all, with scarce exception, using Israel as an excuse. There is no way that that sliver of a country is preventing the billion plus Arabs from rising from their pitiful state. But since you don't have the foggies idea about how to help yourselves, you just bang on and on and on about Israel.

Arab nationalism failed (because you are just a bunch of tribes) and now you think Islam is the answer, when in fact you are backward because of Islam. The more strongly you adhere to islam, the more backward you are. Have a look around you in the islamic world. The only thing it is very good for is to rally you for joo and infidel killing and woman suppression - all of which ultimately causes you the more pain. And in every other aspect of your collective lives, it also seems to bring nothing but disaster.

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