freediver wrote on Jul 16
th, 2008 at 9:14pm:
Who are they to deny the people their democratically elected government?
They are not denying them their freedom of choice. The Palestinians are learning a valuable lesson - that freedom comes with consequences. I notice you too are completely ignoring the reason for the embargo. Perhaps you still haven't grasped what democracy is all about and you still think it is an ideology. You seemed perfectly capable of acknowledging the limitations of democracy earlier by bringing up Hitler etc. But now when Muslims elect a leader you pretend that being elected alone should give a person or party immunity from the repercussions of their actions.
Yes, so according to what you say then we could easily say that the citizens of democratic Western countries right to vote in whoever they want comes with consequences. Using your logic we could easily then ascertain that 9/11, 7/7, the Madrid and Bali attacks were all consequences of such votes. They voted in their governments who invaded and occupied the Middle East and supported Israel.
So then technically having said that and used your own logic it's completely ok to make the people suffer for what their governments have done in the Middle East.
So you either believe that both ways, and Al-Qaeda may have a point. Or you believe that it's ok for the Non Muslim West to do something wrong like that and oppress a people but it's not okay for someone in the Muslim world to do the same back?
Either way, you either think people in the Non Muslim West deserve more rights than Muslims in the Middle East or you believe terrorism is okay. Either thought disgusts me.
freediver wrote on Jul 16
th, 2008 at 9:14pm:
Why should Hamas recognise Israel's right to exist without the Israeli's being willing to recognise a Palestinian State?
Israel does recognise Palestine's right to exist. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. They are more than capable of wiping it out. Instead they leave it there, despite all the grief. On the other hand, if the situation were ever reversed, would Israel be there for long?
That's not true at all. They not murdering the rest of the Palestinians doesn't mean they recognise the Palestinian state's right to exist. Remember we're talking about a Palestinian State, not just the people.
freediver wrote on Jul 16
th, 2008 at 9:14pm:
Those Israeli soldiers were not kidnapped, they were taken as prisoners of war.
So Hezbollah killed prisoners of war? Why do you say this like it's a good thing?
We don't know the circumstances behind the deaths. If Israel refused to conditions for the release of the prisoners of war then their death was sealed by the Israeli's.
Do you think Israeli's are different?
Quote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/mar/31/israel/printWithout mercy: Israelis execute Arafat's elite guardsObserver WorldviewPeter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor Ramallah The Observer, Sunday March 31, 2002 Article historyThe ambulancemen were carrying the first body out of the Cairo-Amman bank in the centre of Ramallah when I came across them.
His knees were doubled up in rigor mortis. One of the legs of his green parachute jumpsuit had been burned through to the skin by a round fired at such close quarters that the muzzle flash had ignited the fabric. A gaping wound was visible in his chest - also apparently from a burst of fire from close range. What killed him, however, was the gunshot to his temple.
A few minutes later, the paramedics brought the second body, that of a young man, also in Yasser Arafat's elite guard unit, Force 17.
Someone had taken off his boots, revealing his blue socks. The wounds that he had obviously been clutching when he died were also to his upper body. But what must have killed him, like his colleague, was a shot fired at close range to his temple that had demolished the back of his head.
The third body was of an older man, in his forties, grey-haired with a moustache. Someone had pulled his parachute suit above his head to hide the wound. When the stretcher-bearers put him down, the covering was pulled back. The wound was to the head.
What happened on the third floor of the Cairo-Amman bank at midnight on Friday during Israel's occupation of the Palestinian city of Ramallah can only be surmised. But in the few minutes after Israeli soldiers stormed the Palestinian position, five men were wounded and five men were put to death by the Israelis, each with a single coup de grace administered to the head or throat.
Maher Shalabi, bureau chief of Abu Dhabi television in Ramallah, was in his office in the same building when he heard several bursts of heavy shooting on the floors below. 'I heard heavy shooting; maybe it was an exchange of fire. But I believe this was an execution.'
Hassan Asfour, a senior Palestinian negotiator, added: 'They were executed in cold blood. This is a clear example of the collective execution policy adopted by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people.'
According to local residents, the dead men were part of a large group of Palestinian policemen who had taken shelter in the building, which also houses the offices of the British council, when the Israeli army entered Ramallah.
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