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Reply #390 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:22pm
 
That is why he inserted "brutal oppressor" in his
reply, it is his escape clause.
As a muslim only non-muslims could ever be classified as brutal oppressors.
I wonder if the ordinary muslims murdered by the Taliban realise they were not being oppressed, just liberated from their mortal coil.

He is smarter than Abu, he would have fallen into that one, boots and all.
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Reply #391 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 7:54pm:
Malik you keep saying you would defend Australia, but what if it was the new Caliphate invading? Whose side would you be on?

A caliphate would never do that, it'd rather have good relations with Australia in trade and commerce just as all Middle Eastern countries want it.

The only way the Caliphate would go to war with Australia would be if Australia attacked it and invaded it's lands. Would I support Australia doing that? Absolutely not. It's important to stand up for what is right and not just stand up for your country all the time no matter when it's wrong. That's what a true patriot does, they want their country to be it's best and don't just accept being quiet. If Australia went to war against the Islamic State or any state without just cause I would do everything in my power as a citizen of this country can do within the current laws to protest and speak out about it.
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Reply #392 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:39pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:22pm:
That is why he inserted "brutal oppressor" in his
reply, it is his escape clause.
As a muslim only non-muslims could ever be classified as brutal oppressors.
I wonder if the ordinary muslims murdered by the Taliban realise they were not being oppressed, just liberated from their mortal coil.

He is smarter than Abu, he would have fallen into that one, boots and all.

Have you not paid any attention to anything I've said. I said that most of the 'Muslim' leaders in the Middle East are brutal dictators and deserve to be removed.

I've also spoken for the removal of the Taliban too. They are extremists and very Wahabi.
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Reply #393 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:54pm
 
A caliphate would never do that, it'd rather have good relations with Australia in trade and commerce just as all Middle Eastern countries want it.

So Muhammed never invaded any countries?

That's what a true patriot does, they want their country to be it's best and don't just accept being quiet. If Australia went to war against the Islamic State or any state without just cause I would do everything in my power as a citizen of this country can do within the current laws to protest and speak out about it.

So you'd like, write strongly worded letters and stuff, if our PM started slaughtering innocent Muslims?
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Reply #394 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 8:54pm:
A caliphate would never do that, it'd rather have good relations with Australia in trade and commerce just as all Middle Eastern countries want it.

So Muhammed never invaded any countries?

That's what a true patriot does, they want their country to be it's best and don't just accept being quiet. If Australia went to war against the Islamic State or any state without just cause I would do everything in my power as a citizen of this country can do within the current laws to protest and speak out about it.

So you'd like, write strongly worded letters and stuff, if our PM started slaughtering innocent Muslims?


I'd do everything that I would be able to do under the current laws, absolutely. I'd protest and attend rallies etc and try build public awareness to it. I'd do everything I could possibly do legally to get the government to halt it.

Muhammad pbuh didn't invade other countries and take over them by force unless they attacked the Islamic State first or killed the Islamic State's diplomats (just as any country even today would do).

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Reply #395 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:19pm
 
So Muhammed built an empire by defending against foreign aggressors? Interesting theory.

So you would watch our government slaughter millions of innocent Muslims and still go about following their rules, protesting in whatever trivial manner they allowed you to?
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Reply #396 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:19pm:
So Muhammed built an empire by defending against foreign aggressors? Interesting theory.

So you would watch our government slaughter millions of innocent Muslims and still go about following their rules, protesting in whatever trivial manner they allowed you to?

Yes, during Muhammad pbuh's time the Islamic State expanded through two methods. The first was through the mass and willfull conversion of people to Islam from other states (like that of Yathrib which was the first Islamic State) and also through means of fighting wars that had been instigated by other empires. Everyone thought they could just wipe the Muslims off the map and tried to but themselves got beaten.

And yes, I'd protest and do everything I could within the law. If I had any inkling of wanting to go and fight for the Islamic State I'd renounce my citizenship from Australia first and go fight for the Islamic State.
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Reply #397 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:30pm
 
So how did Muhammed get everyone to attack him? What made them all think they had to wipe the Muslims off the face of the earth?
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Reply #398 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 9:30pm:
So how did Muhammed get everyone to attack him? What made them all think they had to wipe the Muslims off the face of the earth?

Some were intimidated by a new empire growing that was popular and pre emptively attacked the Muslims to stop it, others were offended that Muhammad pbuh would send a messenger to them inviting them to Islam and subsequently murdered the messengers thus bringing them to a state of war (which even today is applicable if one kills diplomats). And some others thought the Muslims were simply a push over and craved the Muslim lands.
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Reply #399 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:25pm
 
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Malik you keep saying you would defend Australia, but what if it was the new Caliphate invading? Whose side would you be on?


when the Caliphate is re-established, it's compulsory upon all Muslims to migrate to it, so that question is invalid.

And this raises another point, the rednecks here should love the idea of a new Caliphate, cos it'll get rid of most of the Muslims from your beloved white country.

Much like how the Europeans felt when they established Israel and shipped off all their Jews..
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Reply #400 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:28pm
 
So you will both abandon Australia if the opportunity arises?

How do you tell what is a real Caliphate and what is a pretend one? Isn't Palestine a Caliphate in need of your defense? Or do you only migrate their once they have settled everything down for you?
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Reply #401 - Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:28pm:
So you will both abandon Australia if the opportunity arises?

How do you tell what is a real Caliphate and what is a pretend one? Isn't Palestine a Caliphate in need of your defense? Or do you only migrate their once they have settled everything down for you?

Palestine isn't an Islamic State, it's a land that is under occupation and needs liberation.

It would be completely illegal for us to be citizens of this country and join Hamas, according to the Australian government it's a terrorist organization. Even though Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people the Israelis and the rest of the West (especially the US) put sanctions on the democratically elected government and the whole Palestinian people for voting for who they wanted to be represented by. So the Palestinians have been under a terrible blockade ever since. What people in the West like myself can do is give as much charity as we can to provide for the widows, orphans and needy in Palestine that are suffering under the unjust blockade and occupation so that the heavy weight of trying to provide for the Palestinian people is taken off of their democratically elected government. So now their government can focus on establishing a Palestinian State.

Furthermore I agree completely with Abu_Rashid, it would be every Muslims obligation to migrate to the Islamic State to help it become established and live under its laws. There would be those who remained for education and diplomatic purposes of course but the rest should leave.

You act however as if we're going to be unjustly abandoning Australia? That is hilarious considering the fact that it is people like you who kick up a fuss when a Muslim talks about having more than one wife, we are not able to practice our religion here to the fullest extent and not only do we feel unwelcome but we feel hated and demonised by the Australian media and the majority of the Australian public. So why on earth would you expect us to stay in Australia where we don't even feel welcome when we can go somewhere that we can practice our religion to the fullest?

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Reply #402 - Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:09am
 
Well for a start a Caliphate calls itself a Caliphate and has a Caliph as it's head. Wouldn't that go without saying? Smiley
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Reply #403 - Jul 16th, 2008 at 7:28am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:09am:
Well for a start a Caliphate calls itself a Caliphate and has a Caliph as it's head. Wouldn't that go without saying? Smiley


We would have hoped so Abu, but apparently not. Roll Eyes
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Reply #404 - Jul 16th, 2008 at 8:39am
 
abu Quote:
when the Caliphate is re-established, it's compulsory upon all Muslims to migrate to it, so that question is invalid.


malik - Quote:
when a Muslim talks about having more than one wife, we are not able to practice our religion here to the fullest extent and not only do we feel unwelcome but we feel hated and demonised by the Australian media and the majority of the Australian public



thanks for displaying your nonaustralian values.
I am aware a muslim is entirely for a completley muslim world and won't stop till they have it.
Others may think I am being unrealistic in that idea, but your attitudes and words will have them reconsidering.


I was in a muslim chatsite many months ago when the wannabe terrorists in melbourne were arrested.
In that room they received complete support from all the muslims.
That will surprise few people here, given abu and maliks zealousness.

frightening that malik considers himself a moderate and will teach others !!!!!!!!!!
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