Quote:you do come across as someone who condones violence on one side as justified
Again, It doesn't mean much coming from someone who just tried to justify and explain away the callous gunning down of a little school girl on her way to school by soldiers with high powered rifles.
You've openly shown that you justify violence against innocent little children, I've done no such thing. About the best you've been able to say is "You're someone who comes across as.." or "You appear to..", statements that are about as empty as the rest of your arguments.
Quote:Your position relies totally on the old which came first argument, the chicken or the egg? You categorically refute the possibility that it is an unsolvable problem, and justify your violence because you know for sure that the chicken came first
It doesn't rely on that whatsoever, in fact that's the argument of the Zionists, that they were there 2000 years ago, so they have a right to it now. The way I see it is that the Palestinians are there, and have been for a very long time, Jews were less than 2% when the Zionist project began (with the writing of Hertzl's book) and from that time until now has been a struggle. You cannot detach this struggle from the conditions in which it originated. This is a deception often used by the Western media, that this struggle only began in thew 1980's, when Palestinian suicide bombers began blowing up innocent Israeli civilians in cafes. Such a limited field of view is dishonest. The struggle began at the turn of the 20th. century with the beginning of the Zionist movement around the ideas propounded by Hertzl, and has continued till this day. It's been one continual struggle, and anyone who sincerely wishes to look into this struggle, find it's causes and present a solution needs to look at it from day one until today and see it in the full perspective. You can't just look at the last 5 minutes of the struggle and come to the conclusions we see thrown around so easily.
Quote:Until you get to this basic starting point, there is no hope of ever working toward a peaceful outcome, and you can continue with your blame game
On the contrary, we know that in the end we will have victory, and the Zionists know that too. That is why they seek to eradicate the Palestinians from the face of the earth. That is why they engage in deportation programs and in collective punishments and in all the other brutal means they use. They know they are in our land, and if you read the quotes of earliest Zionist writers you'll see they clearly mentioned this and stated they must remove us, because no people would accept becoming second class citizens in their own country. They said this long before any such thing as a suicide bomber or an intifada had even been dreamed up.
The Zionist state is like another kind of Western installation in the Middle East, an oil rig, sitting in the middle of the ocean.Yes it manages to stay above the waves for the time being, and whilst it continues to be maintained externally, but once that maintenance is withdrawn, it will float away with the force of the waves. Do you think the West can sustain Israel indefinitely? I don't.
Quote:They are all evil oppressors who slaughter innocents for sport, and we are all noble martyrs dying for a just cause.
Well, if you really looked at it objectively, you might come to the same conclusion. When you see wealthy Jews leaving good homes in the USA to go and make "aliyah" to a settlement in occupied Palestine, to take the home of a Palestinian and force him and his family into a refugee camp, then the two sides you spoke of will emerge. One side is definitely doing it out of leisure and without any force against them, whilst the other side is merely doing it to keep their heads above water.
Well if you do not like the prevarication Abu, I will stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and describe you as delusional Islamist supremicist, with racist tendencies, and an intellect which barely surpasses your hat size, or in laymens terms, you are about as sharp as a bowling ball.
It is noteworthy how easily you drop your false pretence of being moderate and openly champion that the Israelis being swept away by the tide of Islamic fundamentalism is not only just, but inevitable.
We assume you take this deluded view from your belief that god is on your side.
Perhaps you may enquire of him why he allows your team to keep losing, if he is really on your side, that would seem a reasonable enquiry.
The saddest thing is that religion should be a way for people to enrich their personal spirituality, but sickos like you pervert it into a war mongering bloodsport, where you actually believe that god will aid you in slaughtering those you do not like, you are unworthy of even speaking about god when your intentions are so unholy.
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