Would you like to start a new thread pointing out this hypocrisy, and explaining why they aren't enlightened mystical philosophies?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 2:48pm:


The good thing about Buddhism is not the mysticism. It's the fact that it recognises that we can use the knowledge of our surrounding world to improve our lot in life. That's much more compatible with scientific principles than just putting your faith in the supreme sky daddy.

I'm not a Buddhist, but I can see some enlightened thinking in Buddhism. I can also see many good things in Islam, Christianity and other religions. These religions generally incorporate the collective wisdom of many past ages. They work, and have done for generations.

Unfortunately the wisdom of past sages is often corrupted by the fools of today.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 10:50pm:


I held off on answering that point before I did some research to confirm my point. *

Israeli born Jews are called Sabras. Currently Sabras make up 68% of the Jewish population. That's about 3.7 million people who were born there that you want to deport.

In addition you can add certain groups, such as the Druze. Most Druze  consider their Israeli identity stronger than their Arab identity. Most  are not Muslim.  That would account for about another 150,000 people.

Then you would welcome those who opposed Zionism.  I don't have figures for those people, but they are a significant group:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The combined Israeli and Palestinian populations stands at 9.8-10.8 million, depending on who you believe, so eliminating the ones you want to deport (and I've no idea how you propose to do that), you'd still have approximately 45% of the population as Muslim. I would presume that the majority of Palestinians in Jordan would prefer to stay in their country of birth, which was approximately 90% of the land area of the old British Mandate of Palestine prior to 1946.

*Source: http://www.cbs.gov.il

Whichever way you look at it, you're not going to be able to relocate vast numbers of Israelis without a major bloodbath on both sides.

I don't have any viable solutions to the problem personally, but it seems obvious to me that whatever solution you come up with needs to respect the cultures and religions of all groups concerned.

When you're born in a country, you have certain unalienable rights regardless of what has happened before your birth. A person has no control over what his grandparents did in 1948, so it's totally unjust to try to take it out on them just because they don't share your religion.

muso,

I don't mean to be rude, but your knowledge of the situation just seems to be picked up as you go along. That's not really a viable way to hold a debate.

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This is the perfect example of how you really don't seem to have a clue about the basic underlying situation here. I don't know who you seem to think the Druze are, but they're quite simply an apostated group of Muslims. They are Arabs, who were once Muslims, but whose beliefs deviated from the orthodoxy to the point that pretty much all Muslims declared them apostates.

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You're forgetting the millions still languishing in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria. Those in Egypt, the Gulf and Saudi Arabia, in Iraq the Maghreb and in so many other places. Just because the Zionists deported them, doesn't mean they're all of a sudden detached from the land, they're waiting on the borders for re-entry.

Not to mention the fact that Islam would not just be ruling within the borders of Palestine. Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, it's all one land for us, and that's how it was prior to the invasion, and that's the way it will return. there's never been any border between al-Quds, Damascus, Beirut, Amman, Cairo for us, it's all one land, and will return that way.

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Most will probably flee to the USA, as that's the country that seems to love protecting the rights of Jews worldwide. And if they don't wanna take them, perhaps we can smuggle them in, like the British smuggled them into our land in the 1920's. Maybe they can take an entire US state and turn it into their promised land (maybe Nevada, the Mormons claim that to be a new Zion I think), let them kick the Yanks out of their homes and herd them into refugee camps, since they're so intent on funding and backing the Zionist project.

Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, it's all one land for us, and that's how it was prior to the invasion, and that's the way it will return. there's never been any border between al-Quds, Damascus, Beirut, Amman, Cairo for us, it's all one land, and will return that way.

What are you waiting for?

Most will probably flee to the USA, as that's the country that seems to love protecting the rights of Jews worldwide.

That's hardly a rational argument Abu. They haven't shown any sings of wanting to flee. Muso is right. There would be another bloodbath.

How generous of you to offer more than half of someone's country to a foreign entity, you have just as much foresight as the originators of the problem, the British. Perhaps you should vacate your home and invite a Jewish family to come live in it, then a Palestinian family from the refugee camps in Syria/Lebanon can move back into their home, and you could take the Palestinian family's tent in the refugee camp? Since you're so full of suggestions about who should accomodate who.

I'm just being realistic Abu. A two state solution is the only viable option.

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What is your land Abu?
I had a strong feeling you said you were australian, was that one of those muslim white lies?
It's not a lie if it is only deceiving an infidel?

I must say your veracity is about as reliable as your tolerance for non muslim religions.
I suppose you still claim you don't support terrorists either?

You are doing more for opponents of Islam with every word you speak, because you come across as pro violence, anti-semitic, and pro the imposition of theocratic Islamist regimes, all the things which westerners do not wish to see in their countries.

Try and raise your credibility above that of a deluded reactionary.

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As a Muslim, my land is all the Muslim lands.

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It is not a lie. Just because I am a Muslim, and I believe the Muslim lands to be my lands doesn't mean I can't also be Australian.

I'm sure most Jewish Australians also consider both Israel and Australia to be their lands.. Do you have a problem with them on that?

I suspect not.

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Nowhere in any post of mine have I expressed any support for acts of terrorism, this charge is about as valid as your one that I supposedly support the state of Iran. I'm still waiting for the evidence of that one...

Your ability to construct a half decent argument is barely masked by these pathetic accusations, which you have no chance of backing up, and like with the last one, I doubt you'll even bother trying.

Do yourself a favour and sit back down on the sidelines.

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You're an opponent of Islam, and my words have certainly not done much to help your credibility

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Baseless.

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Baseless.

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Getting warmer, but nowhere have I mentioned anything about imposition.

I'm not even going to bother asking you to back any of this up, as I know you don't have the backbone to.

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Coming from Mr. Credibility himself, nice.