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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Hamas Mickey Mouse vs GI Joe Reply #150 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:15pm No it doesn't.
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Gavin Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 304 Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: Hamas Mickey Mouse vs GI Joe Reply #151 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:17pm freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2007 at 7:15pm: No it doesn't. Care to explain? the Palestinans don't currently have a country and therefore don't have a border. So when u say accept the boundaries as they are, then that means the Palestinans should just accept the fact they are never going to have a state.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Hamas Mickey Mouse vs GI Joe Reply #152 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:25pm They should get the west bank and gaza strip.
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Re: Hamas Mickey Mouse vs GI Joe
Reply #153 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:25pm

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Great way to brush an entire population with one brush

Thankyou. You should try it some time. Wink

It's quite fun.

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true, but then again not all forms of propaganda are subtle, i remembered watching a bugs bunny cartoon where he was fighting hitler. it portrayed hitler as a bumbling, incompetent fool.

not really subtle either.

You obviously haven't seen Donald Duck WWII cartoons either. Watch 'Der Fuehrers Face'... it has to be my favourite WWII cartoon.

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how about since they ceased becoming a state after the conflict in 1948.
it's not a conventional war in the sense that they don't have an army, but it's still a war.

u might call it a resistance movement.

It's not even a war, Gavin. It's just a bunch of stupid, uneducated people fighting among each other. You may define it as a 'different kind of war'... but I don't consider it a war at all. It's not an 'official' war in any sense.

Fair enough. I think it's totally justifiable that the Palestians are a little peed off. Jews moved in in 48 and changed the official language to Hebrew, the official religion to 'Judaism' and the name of the country to Israel.

If the Muslims do the same to Australia, I'll be pretty peed off too.

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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Hamas Mickey Mouse vs GI Joe Reply #154 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:26pm freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2007 at 7:25pm: They should get the west bank and gaza strip. They're not going to stop until they get everything, Freediver.
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Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?'
Reply #155 - Jun 30^th, 2007 at 2:21am

I coudn't help but laugh with penders post in the multiculturalism board...

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we Edited:

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would lose because their Edited:

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standing army is the best traind in the world. within 48 hours they can have an army of a few hundred thousand ready and their aiforce is well equipped and exceptionally trained.

it rated often in the top 4 or 5 military forces in the world.

we have a very small stranding army and very few reserves, though we are quite well equipped and trained we still pale in comparison to the israelis.

Israel have have been in 4 full scale conflicts in the last 60 years, been hoplessly outnumbered on every occaision yet been victorious.

Gee whiz.... it doesn't take a 'superior soldier' to outgun an under equipped Arab army with the latest in American technology, not to mention the detterence of nuclear weapons.

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yes the israelis buy their aircraft from advanced US technology, but may i ad so do we, and we have a better deal.

Yeah... but Australia haven't received over 140 BILLION in DIRECT MILITARY and ECONOMIC assistance from America since the end of World War II. Roll Eyes

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Since the October war in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarting that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipent of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War II, to the tune of well over $140 billion (In 2004 dollars). Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance each year, roughly one-fifth of the foreign aid budget, and worth about $500 a year for every Israeli. This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea and Spain.

Source: Mearsheimer, John and Walt, Stephen 'The Israel Lobby', London Review of Books v28 n6 March 2006 pp 3-12

If anyone thinks Israel is just a 'victim' like America, Israel and Pender want you to think, you're out of your mind! Being best buddies from the world superpower and leeching off it like there's no tomorrow is quite an advantage against those nasty Arabs.

Oh we'd lose a war would we, Pender? With or without America getting involved? Tongue

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Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?'
Reply #156 - Jun 30^th, 2007 at 8:27am

Whether or not they are a victim has nothing to do with whether they have superior weapons or powerful friends. That just makes them a smart and powerful victim.

Also, remember the Russians got driven out of the middle east, as did the Europeans I think. The Americans are probably going to have to make another humiliating retreat. They are very persistent, which is not great if you plan on sticking around.

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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?' Reply #157 - Jul 1^st, 2007 at 10:54am besides the arabs were equipped by the USSR...
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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?' Reply #158 - Jul 1^st, 2007 at 12:07pm Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2007 at 10:54am: besides the arabs were equipped by the USSR... With stones from the ural mountains
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?' Reply #159 - Jul 1^st, 2007 at 11:29pm Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2007 at 10:54am: besides the arabs were equipped by the USSR... Says who?
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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?' Reply #160 - Jul 2^nd, 2007 at 6:25pm says them you fool. all their aircraft and tanks were soviet during 1967. i am to lazy to show you statistics though.
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Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?'
Reply #161 - Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 12:52am

Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2007 at 6:25pm:

says them you fool.

all their aircraft and tanks were soviet during 1967.

i am to lazy to show you statistics though.

Hmm... someones a little touchy.

Okay... as far as I'm aware, the Soviets did indeed give weapons to Middle Eastern nations, but I'm not entirely sure which ones specifically... I was hoping you could fill us in. Further, it was nowhere near as much support as America gave Israel. The article outlines above that America's support for Israel is by far the world's largest economic and military assistance in history. Dwarfing that of other nations. Further, are you absolutely SURE that Egypt was provided with weapons by Russia? Huh

I never heard anything like that.

The fact that the Soviet Union was giving 'some' weapons to Arab nations doesn't disguise the fact that America is Israel's best friend puppet Wink

. And it wasn't paw widdle obscure defenseless Israel facing an overwhelming enemy in that of a collection of nationalist Middle Eastern countries like you're claiming... the Arabs actually misjudged Israel's power at the time and didn't realise the strength of the US and Israel combined.

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Reply #162 - Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 6:31pm

the soviets armed the arabs to a greater extent than the US armed Israel.

the israeli airforce had 200 aircraft the arabs had 4 times that, they also out numbered the israelies 2 to 1 in troop numbers. remeber the 1967 six day war was fought with Syria, Egypt and Jordan, with weapons also provided by Lebanon, Saudi arabia and Iraq.

the reason Israel has always been succesful is due the their far superior training and far better tactics. In 1967 they managed to destroy almost the entire arab airforce on the first day of the war before the arabs knew what was happening. The arabs had more weapons and better aircraft, they just didnt know how to use them.

The Israelis have always and continue to be outnumbered and out gunned, they are just better fighters.

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Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?'
Reply #163 - Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 10:41pm

Israels neighbours :

Lebanon - population 3 million. member of Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Syria - popn 22 mill, "The overwhelming majority of the Syrian population is Sunni Muslim", member of Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Jordan - popn 4 mill, 80% muslim, member of Organization of the Islamic Conference

Egypt - popn 65 mill, 90% muslim, member of Organization of the Islamic Conference

Saudi arabia is closeby. popn 22 mill. 100% muslims.
sudan is also closeby, popn 33 mill, 70% muslims.

info from http://www.arab.de/arabinfo/arabinfo.htm

No wonder Israel is good at fighting !
Of the total population, 5,415,000 are Jews (76 percent), 16.1% were Muslims, 2.1% Christian, 1.6% Druze

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Re: Israel-- A ridiculously outnumbered 'victim?'
Reply #164 - Jul 4^th, 2007 at 4:35am

Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 6:31pm:

the soviets armed the arabs to a greater extent than the US armed Israel.

the israeli airforce had 200 aircraft the arabs had 4 times that, they also out numbered the israelies 2 to 1 in troop numbers. remeber the 1967 six day war was fought with Syria, Egypt and Jordan, with weapons also provided by Lebanon, Saudi arabia and Iraq.

the reason Israel has always been succesful is due the their far superior training and far better tactics. In 1967 they managed to destroy almost the entire arab airforce on the first day of the war before the arabs knew what was happening. The arabs had more weapons and better aircraft, they just didnt know how to use them.

The Israelis have always and continue to be outnumbered and out gunned, they are just better fighters.

I'm sorry Pender but if you don't give me statistics... I'm going to have to label you a liar.

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