yes skeptic, I do realise that.  I also realise that that is a fallacy you hint at.
I also realise you have not answered my questions. Neither had gavin.


Suppose gavin lives in NSW, I am in QLD. We vote in a party whose "policy" is to run off or  murder the NSW people from NSW. This is  credible. We have been doing this for generations. 
In gavins idea, NSW should accept the party, as it was elected.   
In my idea, of course NSW should not recognise them. In addition neither should Victoria.   
The party in QLD will not stop at NSW, they are extremists. 
 
 
Skeptic - I have two questions for you.   
Do you like to have your head on your shoulders ? 
Are you your brothers keeper or not ? 

feel free to answer the above questions skeptic

skeptic, don't bother, sprintcyclist isn't going to understand - his one of those hypocritical bunch that love democracy but absolutely hate it when it goes against them.

So none of you are game to honestly answer my questions ?

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That's the noise a chicken makes.


yes skeptic, I do realise that.  I also realise that that is a fallacy you hint at. 
I also realise you have not answered my questions. Neither had gavin. 


Suppose gavin lives in NSW, I am in QLD. We vote in a party whose "policy" is to run off or  murder the NSW people from NSW. This is  credible. We have been doing this for generations.   
In gavins idea, NSW should accept the party, as it was elected.   
In my idea, of course NSW should not recognise them. In addition neither should Victoria.   
The party in QLD will not stop at NSW, they are extremists.   
   
   
Skeptic - I have two questions for you.   
Do you like to have your head on your shoulders ?   
Are you your brothers keeper or not ?   
 
feel free to answer the above questions skeptic 



here are the people you support 

Fatah's backers fear life in Gaza

Ed O'Loughlin Herald Correspondent in Gaza
June 20, 2007

THE "sleeve" has long been an unlovely fact of life at the Erez crossing, a kilometre-long cement corridor designed to keep terrorists clear of the Israeli-Gaza border gate.

Known as "the tunnel" among aid workers, United Nations staff and foreign journalists, it was also a concrete manifestation of day to day co-operation between the Israeli Army and the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority.

Nobody could approach the Israeli border complex without first being cleared by the Palestinian police at the other end, who co-ordinated movements with their Israeli counterparts.

But that was all last week. Yesterday the only Palestinian Authority security men still visible at Erez were a couple of hundred unarmed Fatah fugitives desperate to flee into Israel. They had camped for four days at the border gate. Behind them, Bedouin looters were dismantling the tunnel, stripping roofing and digging up pipes and wiring.

"If we went back to Gaza, Hamas would execute us," said a 30-year-old man who gave his name as Abu Faras. "We don't have the same ideology as them and they are shooting everybody who has different beliefs."

Abu Faras lay on the floor of the tunnel among a group of injured men, his leg crudely bandaged to staunch bleeding from a gunshot wound.

Along with a dozen others, he was injured on Monday night when gunmen from a breakaway Fatah faction called the Popular Resistance Committees, now allied with Hamas, entered the tunnel and sprayed bullets along it. At least one person was killed.

The faction claimed it was attacking the Israeli soldiers who were posted at the end of the sleeve to stop the fugitive Fatah men from breaking through to Israel. The Fatah men said they were the targets, and that Hamas was responsible.

The day before troops had fired tear gas and concussion grenades to hold back a stampede: yesterday, buses were being assembled on the Israeli side of the border, reportedly waiting for a possible order to ferry the fugitives through Israeli territory to Fatah-controlled areas of the West Bank.

Further away from the gate were clustered the civilians - women with children, the sick and the old - hoping for a chance to leave once the Fatah men were taken care of.

Israel had already allowed scores of Fatah leaders to flee last week while fighting was still under way. The top commanders, including the Fatah security boss Mohammed Dahlan, left the strip weeks ago.

Mariam Yahi, a 63 year-old cancer patient, was on her way to Tel Aviv for chemotherapy last week when the border was closed. "Two days ago I was OK, but now my situation is getting worse," she said.

"I'm feeling sicker, especially since the Israelis fired tear gas when they [the Fatah fugitives] tried to rush across the border."

The first sign of Gaza's new master, the Islamic fundamentalist Hamas movement, came a kilometre from the border, where a masked but unarmed commander was supervising a checkpoint with one armed subordinate.

"This is as close as we can go," said the commander, who called himself Abu Hassan. "If we went any closer that tank there would shoot at us" - and he pointed to an Israeli tank a few hundred meters inside Gaza territory, its barrel trained on the checkpoint.

He said the fugitives had nothing to fear from Hamas now. "They are no more than kids and jobless men who just want to get out. Everybody knows that Hamas has already freed even the most wanted men it captured."


But as long as murders are elected, it is ok ????????????


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gavin, so to this :

Suppose gavin lives in NSW, I am in QLD. We vote in a party whose "policy" is to run off or  murder the NSW people from NSW. This is  credible. We have been doing this for generations.   
In gavins idea, NSW should accept the party, as it was elected.    
In my idea, of course NSW should not recognise them. In addition neither should Victoria.    
The party in QLD will not stop at NSW, they are extremists.   
   
   
you would say  NSW will say " sure, run us off our land or murder us, that is fair, after all you were elected. "
Surely, you jest.


let alone these other questions
Skeptic - I have two questions for you.    
Do you like to have your head on your shoulders ?   
Are you your brothers keeper or not ?   

put it this way, i was against the introduction of the GST, but since the Liberals got elected, i'm stuck with it. u don't see me saying we need to overthrow the Liberals because i don't like them and their GST.

If you did, it wouldn't be undemocratic.

here is your daily report on "democracy" in islam, gavin and donald

That had nothing to do with democracy sprint.

Gavin, being pro democracy does not have to mean you think it is a great form of government or that you have to simply put up with any outcome. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. Those governments you criticised for not accepting Hamas were also democratically elected.

and in ur QLD/NSW example, are you saying that NSW is allowed to dictate to Queenslanders who they should vote for?? if i was a Queenslander, i would tell NSW to butt out since it has nothing to do with them.  

Is that before or after you killed them (democratically of course)?

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Palestinian-PM-gives-incitement-warning/2007/06/29/1182624114729.html

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad delivered a stern warning to hundreds of Islamic preachers, including Hamas supporters, saying his government will not tolerate incitement in mosques and plans to collect the weapons of militants.

Fayyad's meeting with some 800 Muslim clergy marked the latest attempt to stem the influence of Hamas in the West Bank, following the Islamists' violent takeover of Gaza earlier this month.

Security forces have arrested dozens of Hamas activists in the West Bank, and President Mahmoud Abbas is trying to dry up funding to Hamas with a review of all private organisations.

The Palestinians said their crackdown on Hamas was complicated by Israel's hunt for gunmen from Abbas' Fatah movement in the West Bank city of Nablus on Thursday.

I think the US used cartoon characters like Donald Duck to promote it's wars in the past. The difference is that at the time the leaders of the US were fully committed to war (WWII I think). The entire society was fully committed to war, including children. The situation in palestine is completely different. They are not fully committed to war, they are negotiating a ceasefire -  a ceasefire which will be undermined in 10 years time by the children who watch this stuff on TV. There is no conventional war. I rocket per day or one bomb per day does not count as war. It would be like the US indoctrinating it's children to hate Mexicans because they sneak across the border. The US did not cause the war by indoctrinating children. GI Joe will not cause any wars. The indoctrination of Palestinain children will cause future wars.

So you think the propaganda is minor compared to the real problems over there? I think it is causing it. The palestinaians won't budge until they gain back territory they lost in a previous war because of the propaganda.  If the leaders started airing messages encouraging people to go about their daily business and try to make the best of the situation then the tension wouldn't be there and the people would budge. They would sacrifice the more extreme demands for the reasonable ones, such as their own state.

Back to GI Joe, which ethnic group is GI Joe telling children to kill?