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Jun 15th, 2007 at 1:38pm
 
Following todays announcement in palestine


HAMAS has seized full control of the Gaza Strip following days of ferocious gunbattles, hours after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sacked the government and declared a state of emergency.

Britain expressed regret at the dissolution of the cabinet, saying "once again extremists carrying guns have prevented progress against the wishes of the majority who seek a peaceful two-state solution".

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21910028-952,00.html


Anyone know what is happening over there ?
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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 1:56pm
 
The palestinians are too stupid to hold on to their land.
They will never win for as long as they keep fighting eachother. UNITY is the key.
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Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:23pm
 
Ausnat wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 1:56pm:
The palestinians are too stupid to hold on to their land.
They will never win for as long as they keep fighting eachother. UNITY is the key.


easier said than done, trying to unite hamas & fatah is like trying to unite a white nationalist with a communist.

it will never happen.

by the way, which one has the support of the people? i seem to recall that hamas won an election a few months ago, but the result wasn't officially recognised by the international community. i wonder why?
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Reply #3 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:37pm
 
here is the original fiull artivle , in 2 parts


HAMAS has seized full control of the Gaza Strip following days of ferocious gunbattles, hours after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sacked the government and declared a state of emergency.

Masked Hamas fighters have overrun all security strongholds of Abbas's rival Fatah faction across the territory, where at least 113 people have been killed in less than a week in an explosion of bloodshed.
"All of the headquarters of the security services in the Gaza Strip are under control of the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, including the presidency," said Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas's armed wing.

The takeover of Gaza effectively split the Palestinians into two, with Hamas - considered a terror outfit by the EU, Israel and the United States - in charge of the Gaza Strip and Fatah retaining control over the West Bank.

Abbas announced earlier today the dismissal of the three-month-old government and declared a state of emergency in Gaza and the occupied West Bank over what he called a "military coup".

In a decree read by his presidential secretary-general, Abbas said he made the move "because of the criminal war in the Gaza Strip, the taking over of the security services of the Palestinian Authority, the military coup and the armed rebellion by outlaws".

But Hamas immediately dismissed the declaration as "practically worthless" and later announced it was in control of all Fatah-linked security bases in Gaza, including Abbas's sprawling seafront presidential compound.

Abbas's announcement ended three months of fractious power-sharing between his secular Fatah party and the rival Islamist Hamas, locked for months in a deadly feud that has seen more than 260 people killed since December.

Abbas also appointed an emergency cabinet and will call for new elections "as soon the situation allows", presidency secretary-general Tayeb Abdelrahim said.

Under the Palestinian basic law, the emergency government does not require approval from the parliament which has been dominated by Hamas since January 2006, when it routed long-dominant Fatah in polls.

The sacked prime minister Ismail Haniyeh said Hamas would not declare a "state" in Gaza and called Abbas's move to fire the cabinet hasty.

"The Gaza Strip is an indivisible part of the homeland and its residents are an integral part of the Palestinian people. No to a state in the Gaza Strip only because the state is a whole that cannot be divided," Haniyeh said in an address televised live.

The international community voiced increasing alarm about the situation in Gaza, where highly disciplined Hamas fighters overran their Fatah opponents from all of their major bases in just days.

The clashes damaged power lines, plunging into darkness chunks of the impoverished territory where many of the estimated 1.4 million residents have been cowering inside for days.

"What is happening in Gaza is the second liberation of the Gaza Strip from the band of (Israeli) collaborators after the first liberation from the bands of settlers" in 2005, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.

In one of the fiercest clashes that left 14 dead and 70 wounded, Hamas gunmen stormed the preventive security force compound in Gaza City and hoisted the Islamist movement's green flag on the roof after an hours-long battle.

Fatah fighters loyal to Abbas, some stripped to their underwear, were dragged out of the building with their hands in the air as black-clad masked Hamas gunmen stood watch.

Islamist fighters prayed on the sidewalk while on the rooftop others fired rounds into the air to celebrate their latest victory in what one Hamas leader described as "a battle between Islam and heresy".

Hamas's armed wing claimed to have executed a leader of the Fatah-linked Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, amid unconfirmed reports of other killings of Fatah loyalists.

A bomb ripped also through the studio of the official Voice of Palestine radio close to Fatah, forcing it off the air, in an attack blamed on Hamas.

Abbas, who has warned of civil war if the Gaza "madness" continued, cancelled a planned visit to France because of the violence.

The international community warned that the no-holds-barred power struggle endangered prospects of a future Palestinian state and peace with Israel.

US President George W Bush was "profoundly concerned" and called for a halt to the clashes, while US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Abbas to voice Washington's "full support".

Britain expressed regret at the dissolution of the cabinet, saying "once again extremists carrying guns have prevented progress against the wishes of the majority who seek a peaceful two-state solution".

For a second day in a row, the struggle spilled over into the West Bank, with offices of Hamas-affiliated officials torched and several dozen of the group's leaders and politicians arrested.

Human Rights Watch has accused both sides of committing war crimes during the fighting, which has turned hospitals into battlegrounds, seen ambulances prevented from reaching wounded and peace demonstrators shot dead.

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Reply #4 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:40pm
 
and part 2


Human Rights Watch has accused both sides of committing war crimes during the fighting, which has turned hospitals into battlegrounds, seen ambulances prevented from reaching wounded and peace demonstrators shot dead.

The violence has forced the main UN Palestinian refugee agency to suspend all but essential activities and the European Union to halt its relief projects in the territory where the majority of people receive aid.

The Arab League called for an immediate halt to the violence ahead of an emergency meeting on the crisis tomorrow.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon held preliminary talks on the idea of sending an international force to Gaza, but Hamas rejected the move, saying it would treat foreign troops as occupation forces.

Israel - which pulled its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005 - has watched with increasing alarm, but said it would not intervene.

Tensions have been boiling ever since Hamas routed long-dominant Fatah in the January 2006 poll, often fanned by disagreement over who should control the security services in one of the most densely populated areas of the planet.


Seems the president (addas)  is a fatah, the party elecrted is hamas
hamas are recognised as being terrorists.
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easier said than done, trying to unite hamas & fatah is like trying to unite a white nationalist with a communist.

it will never happen.


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Reply #6 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:50pm
 
gavin, why not ?
they both say they believe the same, they have the same to gain or lose.

I think the govts of the world refused the hamas govt as they are terrorists and so prob not a true result.
Vote against them and get shot.
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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 2:50pm:
gavin, why not ?
they both say they believe the same, they have the same to gain or lose.


no they don't believe the same - Fatah is a secular-based movement who want to set-up a secular Palestinan state, whereas Hamas is a religious movement that wants to set-up an Islamic Palestinan state.

basically, Hamas want a state under sharia law - Fatah does not.

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I think the govts of the world refused the hamas govt as they are terrorists


well based on the article u posted, both Fatah and Hamas have both committed war crimes, so i doubt hamas are the only ones that are terrorists.

i think if Hamas were elected by the people and that's what the people want then they should be recognised by the international community - and that's regardless of whether we disagree with their policies.

i mean isn't that what democracy is all about, being elected by the people.
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Reply #8 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:00pm
 
Good luck Fatah. i support it.
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Reply #9 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:03pm
 
thanks gavin, I was unaware of that. i thought fatah were muslims too, so could not understand it at all.


terrorists cross all borders, war crimes are contained. I never understood a "war crime " either .
Really, it is war, and some things are naughty ??????????

yes, democracy is about being elected by the people in a free and fair election.
I doubt terrorists would be keen on a free and fair election. Given their current actions, they will do anything for absolute power.  islamis control has not advanced one country ever.
extremists will keep going , no matter what. they desire death by the sword.
As an external govt, I would not recognise them either.  They will not stop.
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Reply #10 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:10pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:03pm:
thanks gavin, I was unaware of that. i thought fatah were muslims too, so could not understand it at all.


they are muslims, just not religious ones.

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terrorists cross all borders, war crimes are contained. I never understood a "war crime " either .
Really, it is war, and some things are naughty?


i would define terrorists as someone who is using illegal/immoral means to obtain their political/religious/ideoligical goals - e.g. targeting civilians.

i would consider war crimes to be illegal ways to fight a war, so technically that would make both fatah and hamas terrorists.

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yes, democracy is about being elected by the people in a free and fair election.
I doubt terrorists would be keen on a free and fair election.


as above, they're both guilty of terrorism, and it doesn't matter if we disagree with the elected parties policies - if they are elected by the people then they should be in power & officially recognised.

here's an example, say One Nation got elected in Australia and the UK disagreed with the parties policies. do u think it's right for the UK not to recognise the One Nation party even if they were democratically elected?
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Reply #11 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:54pm
 
one nation would pose no threat to UK.

any islamic state by it's belief and goals threatens every nonislamic country. 
SO, any free country is purely defending itself by not recognising an islamic place.

their suicide bombers will travel worldwide for jihad.
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Reply #12 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 4:01pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:54pm:
one nation would pose no threat to UK.

any islamic state by it's belief and goals threatens every nonislamic country.  
SO, any free country is purely defending itself by not recognising an islamic place.

their suicide bombers will travel worldwide for jihad.


that's besides the point, if Hamas was elected by the Palestinan people then it's their right to be ruled by the government they elected.

who are we to say that it's not a legitimate government.
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Reply #13 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 5:22pm
 
hamas will never negotiate with Israel, thus the international community cannot accept them as a government, as that means there will never be any chance of peace.
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Reply #14 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 5:30pm
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 15th, 2007 at 5:22pm:
hamas will never negotiate with Israel, thus the international community cannot accept them as a government, as that means there will never be any chance of peace.


okay, so that means we should just ignore what the Palestinans want.

hamas won the election, and if the Palestinans want them in power then that's it.
countries should really stop meddling in other countries affairs.
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